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tcaudilllg
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:47 pm    Post subject: Gas [quote]

I never thought it would get this high. $2.50 everywhere. It is a serious headache for me. Terrible. Five bucks for a gallon of gas? Something isn't right....

This seems to me like an excellent argument for socialized energy. Through socialization, producers and manufacturers alike could be forced/goaded/whatever into producing fuel that is assembled from a variety of sources.

Competing with China for gas is a lose-lose situation. Something must be done.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:14 pm    Post subject: [quote]

You do realize that gas is just expensive, right? They're not just marking it up because they can.
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tcaudilllg
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:44 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Yes I realize that. However, they are doing nothing to make it less expensive. They are in power. Those in power have an obligation to act.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:08 pm    Post subject: [quote]

I think something like this could be a reasonable solution in the future:
http://www.energybulletin.net/4942.html
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:10 pm    Post subject: [quote]

LordGalbalan wrote:
Yes I realize that. However, they are doing nothing to make it less expensive. They are in power. Those in power have an obligation to act.

I agree! We need to start producing more gas! Gas factories should hire more people so we can increase the production of petrol.

Oh, wait, it doesn't work that way.

In that case, I think we should break down political and economical barriers between countries.

Wait, it doesn't work that way either.

Well, only one thing left to do: be gay and do what the hippies say, and bike or walk to places when it isn't too far to reduce our gasoline consumption and as a means of protesting the high prices.

...Hey, what do you know... maybe acting on your own instead of complaining about what others should do CAN have an impact on how much you spend on gas a year... :)
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janus
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:16 pm    Post subject: [quote]

LordGalbalan wrote:
Yes I realize that. However, they are doing nothing to make it less expensive. They are in power. Those in power have an obligation to act.
Hey, yeah, they should uh... remove our freedom to buy and use gasoline? No, that wouldn't be good... invade foreign countries and take their oil? Nah... hmm. What exactly should they do, other than 'act'?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:49 am    Post subject: [quote]

This is something I watch closely. The short story is that rich nations screwed themselves.

The long story is less complex: rich states are greedy bastards dragged around by rich companies that have little or no foresight.

EDIT: oh, yeah, and they are marking it up because they can. Has the price of a quart of motor oil sky rocketed? Hmm... didn't think so. And don't give me the "becuase it's little, sweet crude" BS.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:14 am    Post subject: [quote]

Everything will work itself out eventually. There will come a tipping point where petrol is no longer economically viable, at which point people and corporations will be forced to both explore and embrace alternative energy sources. Right now we have a few fledgling ideas but no magic bullet. Hydrogen, biodiesel, solar etc still have a long way to go before they are truly viable on a global scale.

A gallon of gas is still cheaper than a gallon of milk, which is (for the most part) domestically produced. Now that's something to ponder.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:16 am    Post subject: [quote]

I know that if I had control of the world's supply of gasoline, I wouldn't sell any of it for less than a billion dollars a gallon. Automobiles are a disease. They stink, they pollute, they're noisy, and they kill thousands of people every year. Everybody needs one because our cities are designed that way, and our cities are designed that way because everybody has one. Take away the gasoline, and maybe we'll start to see a return to sanity. Either that or total chaos. I'm fine with either possibility.
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janus
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:03 am    Post subject: [quote]

biggerUniverse wrote:
EDIT: oh, yeah, and they are marking it up because they can. Has the price of a quart of motor oil sky rocketed? Hmm... didn't think so. And don't give me the "because it's little, sweet crude" BS.
Are you talking about the oil companies that refine and transport and sell oil/gasoline (US, Britain, etc. corporations) or about the oil suppliers that harvest and sell crude oil? There's a significant difference between the two in most cases, and some of the latter definitely charge whatever they like for oil.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:42 am    Post subject: [quote]

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The long story is less complex: rich states are greedy bastards dragged around by rich companies that have little or no foresight


The US is not "rich". We're not really poor either- but the value of the dollar is plummeting. I don't think it has anything to do with being a major world power either. Other countries pay far more for gas then we do, even though our consumption is much larger.

I do think being a major world power is starting to effect how other countries see us. It just happens. I'm actually surprised it took this long for the rest of the world to hate us. England, back when it was the great conquering imperialistic nation, was hated for much longer and much earlier than us.

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A gallon of gas is still cheaper than a gallon of milk, which is (for the most part) domestically produced. Now that's something to ponder.


Reminds me an old Bloom County comic were someone realizes that gas is cheaper than milk and forces their cat to drink unleaded.
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tcaudilllg
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:12 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Sirocco wrote:
A gallon of gas is still cheaper than a gallon of milk, which is (for the most part) domestically produced. Now that's something to ponder.


Depends on where you get your milk. The local Audi store sells it from a local distributor for $2.00 a gallon.

No really, $2.00 a gallon. ...Damn I wish I hadn't realized that gas was more expensive than milk. This is crazy. Absolutely crazy. I think we need to recognize gas for what it has become: a utility. Utilities don't get breaks, only strict contracts. Perhaps counties should begin contracting for gas supply...?

Gas clearly can't regulate itself as an industry. Like water, and electric power. (as the California mess demonstrated a few years ago...) The government needs to step in and do the regulation. It's not like just anybody can decide "I want to start a gasoline company!" these days. Suppliers and companies have grown so close the gasoline "market" has failed. In its place is aristocracy.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:35 pm    Post subject: [quote]

I don't know if this is true, but I've heard from a few people who live in Europe that we have it easy as far as gas prices go compared to what they generally are there. I'm not sure if this applies to most of Europe or just the 'main' areas, and like I said I've just heard it from a few friends who live there, so don't take my word for it. :p

I usually just walk or take the bus where I need to go if I can't get there via other methods; though that probably has a lot to do with me being far too lazy to get my learner's liscense though, heh. But it's not bad. Sometimes I'd rather walk places than take the bus or get a ride.
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tcaudilllg
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Gas was $2.70 a gallon for regular unleaded down the street yesterday. That's about even with the price of milk at Walmart, I think.
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Sirocco
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Possibly pedantic note:

Gas in my area currently stands at $2.49 per gallon for unleaded, and whole vitamin-D enriched milk stands at $3.53 per gallon at the local Uber Wal-Mart.

This is also a major jump for milk, which has been around $2.25-2.50 a gallon for the past decade.

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