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tcaudilllg · Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject: Need of a game operations library

What I mean by "game operations" library is a library that condenses AI, physics, interfaces, and player control into one library. Not just another "game engine" hodgepodge of sprite display routines/keyboard handlers/mouse handlers/sound playback routines/and-misc-3d-or-2d widgets. I don't care for the act of designing the code at all. I just want to design the game and make my vision come true. In like, hours, with the graphics preprepared. And I want to do it for free, with a compiler. I want a library that has basically, a bunch of little model games contained in it that I can put together at a whim, and make something bigger with them.

janus · Mage Joined: 29 Jun 2002 Posts: 464 Location: Issaquah, WA

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RuneLancer · Mage Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 441

Have you considered either RPGMaker or GameMaker?

...God, I feel dirty. I suggested those two things to someone...
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tcaudilllg · Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:

Tried both. They don't get the job done. In fact... nothing out there does....

There is so much emphasis on the constructionist philosophy in game programming. Either it holds your hand rediculously and to the point of confusion like RPGMaker or GameMaker, or it offers little more than an escape from the C++ ide. (Sphere, VERGE, and most of the rest)

Nothing in the middle. I wish I could release something useful without being viciously attacked for even proposing the idea.

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Nephilim · Mage Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Posts: 414

Well, anything like this you find is going to lie somewhere on the scale between flexibility and ease of use. The easier it is to use (and you're talking really easy to use if you want to make a game in a few hours), the less it's going to be able to do, and therefore, the less interesting the game is going to be. (And yet, you criticized existing products for holding your hand, so you apparently want it to be somewhat difficult or not straightforward to use for some reason. Not sure what you meant by that.)

And you want it all free.

I don't think you're going to find anything like what you describe. The only thing I can think of that is close is something like Power Game Factory or Blades of Avernum (neither of which are free), where the game is pretty much set up and you're essentially defining scenarios for it. But even in these cases, you're still not going to be producing anything worthwhile with just an hour or two of work.
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tcaudilllg · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:51 am Post subject:

Then shouldn't it exist?

Nephilim · Mage Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Posts: 414

I think I found what you want: Make Your Own Game
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Bjorn · Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject:

What you describe is kind of what I'm working on now, but it's not being released yet. I'm improving the Moonlight Engine in a way that should allow one to make games without programming, putting it together from common blocks of functionality. It will be released as GPL, I hope in about two months but of course plans can change.