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tcaudilllg Dragonmaster
Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Posts: 1731 Location: Cedar Bluff, VA
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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RuneLancer wrote: | You could just post a thread about your very own pedophilic game, LG, and see how people here react. I'm sure it'd be very enlightening. :P
I take no responsabilities in anyone being banned or alienated from the community over this, should you go through with it... |
WTF?
This entire idea was sick and stupid. Anyone who thinks it had a chance of success at doing what people intended for it is a fool. Thank God it's already been shot down... what if something like this really happened and the media got hold of it? The can of worms would be awful....
That said, no the thread doesn't deserve to exist, but at the same time GDR shouldn't have been closed. To close it was overreaction. I'd say these taboo topics have creeped up on other game development sites, too. The search engines probably reflect this.
In closing, don't let the Lezard Valeths of the world intellectually damage good ideas and concepts, especially the GDR.
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Rimpoche Pretty, Pretty Fairy Princess
Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 12
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Nephilim wrote: | Actually, that has nothing to do with it. Whether or not anybody "real" was involved is not a consideration in the determination of whether a particular bit of material is child pornography, or whether it rises to the level of obscenity in a locality. If you trade in it or produce it, whether it's real or not, you're still going to prison. (This is American law I'm talking about here - not sure about in other countries.) |
FWIW, this is totally wrong as a matter of United States law. It may be different in foreign countries -- I rather imagine it is, the United States is by far the most permissive country in the world on censorship issues -- but here in the States, "virtual" child porn is protected under the First Amendment. See Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 535 U.S. 234 (2002). Of course, in some cases "virtual" child pornography might be obscene because it displays children lasciviously, but it's highly, highly unlikely because "virtual" pornography general (i.e., pornography that is not photographic) has almost never been held obscene in the past hundred years. But nevertheless, it's cute to see you declaiming like Solon or Lycurgus despite talking out of your ass rather than your mouth.
That doesn't change the fact that such a game is disgusting, immoral, and worthy of censure, or that Mandrake showed rare (for this community) good judgment in recognizing such qualities. I'm pleased to see him stand up to all the "oh, it's all fun and games, especially if it's taboo!" crowd.
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NyanNyanKoneko Wandering Minstrel
Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 98
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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I can't attest to the validity of the poster, though the links are real... Check out what some guy posted on Rew's (the guy who wants to pake the pedophile RPG) messaage board.
"Hello ladies and gentlemen. My name is Chef Boyardee, I'm a recovering pedophile in therapy and I'm here because I want to help you with your MMORPG "Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game". I found your site while looking up therapy options on the internet and thought that I could assist you with my extensive knowledge on pedophilia, ranging from symptoms to how best to begin a relationship with children.
I would like to help you with your "Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game" because I believe pedophilia is a very important issue that needs to be better understood. Pedophiles are NOT monsters, we are NOT obsessed with having sex with children. Many of us just want to have established relationships with juveniles, while other merely prefer the more supple texture of their skin or their spry and nubile movements. I've had many excellent non-sexual relationships with children (ranging from ages 6-14) and six sexual relationships, five of which were consensual, with children.
I believe that I could help you out not only with my knowledge of pedophilia but also my music for this game. I am a composer and have composed for games before. Here are a few examples:
http://chef.avalanchestudios.net/Content%20Workforce.mp3
http://chef.avalanchestudios.net/Wintersong.mp3
http://chef.avalanchestudios.net/Motoi.mp3
If you require my assistance please tell me. I would be most obliged to help."
I have no idea if this is a joke or not that he's attracting pedophiles to help with the project... Given that Rew likes to troll, it could be a joke.
Original link: http://rew.tsourceweb.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=357
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Nodtveidt Demon Hunter
Joined: 11 Nov 2002 Posts: 786 Location: Camuy, PR
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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If I had known that Rew had no serious intentions of doing this kind of project, I sure as hell wouldn't have said anything on the subject...sometimes you just gotta starve the trolls by ignoring them. :D
As far as laws go...yes, this is a law that most definately has to be followed not only in the United States but in a vast majority of countries around the world. For this reason, such a product would never come to fruition.
But on the subject itself...this is an issue that very few people understand but almost everyone is quick to judge. I would challenge anyone here to ask a pedophile what his life is like and why he has the attractions that he does. You will find that what you get is vastly different than your prejudice of the subject. I'm not saying that it's right for them to be this way, and I'm not saying that you should accept it at face value, but like with everything else in this life, you should always try to get both sides of the story from the storytellers of both sides themselves rather than retaining a prejudiced view brought about by only one side of the story.
And no...I am not trolling. I simply tend to look at things from both sides of the spectrum and make my decisions based on having the whole picture rather than just the reds. _________________ If you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic voices. The scary part is that if you play it forwards it installs Windows. - wallace
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LeoDraco Demon Hunter
Joined: 24 Jun 2003 Posts: 584 Location: Riverside, South Cali
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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LordGalbalan wrote: | Thank God it's already been shot down... what if something like this really happened and the media got hold of it? The can of worms would be awful.... |
nodtveidt wrote: | If I had known that Rew had no serious intentions of doing this kind of project, I sure as hell wouldn't have said anything on the subject...sometimes you just gotta starve the trolls by ignoring them. :D |
As far as I know, from the last point at which I looked at Rew's website, they are, in point of fact, working upon said project. Even if, at the very least, it is some elaborate hoax, they (Rew and those that work with him) have gone to great lengths to give the semblance that they are in production. _________________ "...LeoDraco is a pompus git..." -- Mandrake
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tcaudilllg Dragonmaster
Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Posts: 1731 Location: Cedar Bluff, VA
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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NyanNyanKoneko: please stop posting that garbage.
SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK.
That said it would probably be best to contact a psychologist about all this....
If they actually go through with this... it'll be a media spectacle, that's for sure. It'll make Hot Coffee look like the Final Fantasy IV kissing scene.
This is work that should be done in a psych lab, not in an indie game. Or any form of entertainment, really.
...Nevermind. I've looked his site over. This guy just likes screwing with people. He's obviously nuts. Hell, he almost looked like Sephiroth....
The media won't do anything, I don't think. But this guy will end up in a mental institution if he tries to go through with the product.
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RuneLancer Mage
Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 441
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:13 am Post subject: |
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It's called a joke, mate. Relax. :) _________________ Endless Saga
An OpenGL RPG in the making. Now with new hosting!
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Nodtveidt Demon Hunter
Joined: 11 Nov 2002 Posts: 786 Location: Camuy, PR
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:41 am Post subject: |
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LG, get a grip...seriously. _________________ If you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic voices. The scary part is that if you play it forwards it installs Windows. - wallace
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NyanNyanKoneko Wandering Minstrel
Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 98
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:58 am Post subject: |
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As far as I can tell, Rew wants to make the game. But it seems like he's doing it to create the ultimate troll device. So that way, he can send people the game and watch them flip out.
EDIT: I've seen the media use homebrew games to say how horrible games are. I remember them complaining about some kid made about 9/11, and flying planes into buildings and what-not. So I'm sure that if Rew does this, he'll get a lot of the attention he wants.
Anyways, people know GDR is back up at www.gamedevelopersrefuge.org , right?
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Sirocco Mage
Joined: 01 Jun 2002 Posts: 345
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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We're attempting to reconstruct the original board data, so hopefully the old threads will reappear in a few days.
That said, Lbt1st did an awesome job getting the board up and running in short order, with a new host and domain.
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Terry Spectral Form
Joined: 16 Jun 2002 Posts: 798 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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BadMrBox Bringer of Apocalypse
Joined: 26 Jun 2002 Posts: 1022 Location: Dark Forest's of Sweden
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, did I mention that Rew is a immature punk that needs to get his balls electocuted and be thrown of a cliff? _________________
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Nephilim Mage
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Uh, no it isn't. They didn't say that "virtual child porn was protected under the first amendment" - what they said was that that particular law overreached and unconstitutionally restricted legitimate speech. The supreme court was not all "rah rah virtual child porn."
Rimpoche wrote: | Of course, in some cases "virtual" child pornography might be obscene because it displays children lasciviously... |
Right. Even though that particular law got struck down, the "obscenity" law still stands.
Rimpoche wrote: | ...but it's highly, highly unlikely because "virtual" pornography general (i.e., pornography that is not photographic) has almost never been held obscene in the past hundred years. |
Maybe so, but that seems to be changing. There was an NPR story recently about a guy who got convicted under the obscenity laws for non-photographic child porn. And there are lots of stories on BoingBoing and other sites about an escalating "War on Porn" being ramped up by the Bush Administration. So even if it were unlikely in the past, it's getting more likely now. _________________ Visit the Sacraments web site to play the game and read articles about its development.
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Rew Lowly Slime
Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 3
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Silly rabbits.
The whole "legal issue" is not a concern to me, seeing as this game is breaking no laws what-so-ever.
The board being taken down was completely justified, the owner did not prefer that type of content on his site, it was his decision to make. Stop bitching at him.
I've stated over and over again that the "Pedophile" race is just one of many, many, races to be added to this "neo-reality" based MMORPG. The pedophile race is just the most obscene, so the theory was that anyone who is willing to work on that one would have no problem with any other feature of the game (seeing as they all pale in comparison to that, moral wise). I think everyone might be taking things a little too seriously.
Let's take into account that thousands of children are raped every day, this game will change nothing. Although if it does come to the media's attention they will point out one of the thousands of daily cases and blame it on the game. If anything it will help shed light on a very important issue, it will surface a touchy subject that people would rather ignore than fix.
Pedophilia isn't always "child rape", by the way. If anything it is taking advantage of the innocents of a child, most of the time it isn't even sexual.
I do appreciate all the free advertising though, I've noticed a slight jump in the old statistics page due to referrals coming from this and other forums of the same topic. Although this was not my first intention, I must say it's a nice little perk.
The MMORPG I have stated is still in the works, and will be developed. Despite all of the heat directed at the mere MENTION of the game, it will be released.
There will be no cost to play, no advertising, no money involved in the least. Therefore there can be no legal action taken over the material. Also, there will be a warning splash page about the content, and an advisory that anyone under the age of 18, or anyone easily offended, should leave immediately and not participate in the game.
You guys are fun to watch though, keep up the good posts. [/b]
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tcaudilllg Dragonmaster
Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Posts: 1731 Location: Cedar Bluff, VA
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Rew I'm glad you showed up.
http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=621982897915119820
Please take this test and report your score. Trust me, you'll be helping science much more taking this test than you will be with your game.
I can tell you what your game is going to do though: it's going to get the irrational aspects of society riled up and generally cause a lot of trouble. I guess you have your reasons, but please keep topics like this away from those forums that are unlikely to support your efforts in this regard.... (like this one)
My personal answer to the issue of deviant sexual behavior is to create a reservation-like environment that is heavily monitored. Put the nymphomaniacs and the rapists all in the same place. Perhaps even put teenagers in there if you can find conclusive evidence that nymphomania is a biological trait. Let them basically run their own society, and heavily police their interactions with the outside world. Problem solved.
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