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Warspawn · Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 7:29 pm Post subject:

yes...

I was going off of

Fooolking · Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 7:54 pm Post subject: 2 cents

I don't really know Developer X or alot of people for that matter. I agree with Warspawn on the basis that writing a tutorial of sorts can be a great learning experience.

It helps by allowing you to break down your own process. Then improve yourself, from critiques, plus you're also teaching others.

However, on the other hand, Developer X seems to want to market himself, market his book, get it published. Thats hard for many people in the industry to do.....I mean, his experience in the field will be a factor to a publisher. No matter what anyone says, no matter the many different views and no matter how good the book turns out, the publisher not only has to sell the book, but also has to sell the person who wrote it in the case of a "step by step" type book.

If two similar books were out, one by some Veteran coder who worked in the gaming industry for many years, and another, still as skilled, but not quite known.

The adverage Joe will go for the book written by the person he knows.....

That's just how the world works.
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LeoDraco · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:43 am Post subject:

DeveloperX · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:54 am Post subject:

Geez.. Maybe I shouldn't event post my thoughts here anymore...you guys are seeming to want me to just shutup.
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Well heres _MY_ reasoning:

1. I want to learn how to develop these types of games.
2. I want to teach others how to develop these types of games.
3. I believe that I will learn alot during the development of this/these book/s.
4. I wanted to have a development journal of sorts, that details the steps that I took while making the games that will be created at the end of each chapter-quad.
5. I believe that I can write this book if I really work hard, and put effort into making the concept into a full-fledged document.
6.I had hoped that others would want to have a place that they could share their views / ideas / implementations on the topics in question...that hope is now gone..thanks to your replies.
7. I had hoped to become a better programmer by taking on this task.
8. I had hoped to make contacts in 'high places' during writing this book...guess noone cares about the little people in the world anymore.

well.. shit.

I guess I'll just go get a nine to five and tell the world to go f*ck themselves, since noone wants an aspiring programmer.

oh, and on a side note to DrunkenCoder:
thanks a whole lot for totally making me feel like useless shit.
hope you dont lose any sleep over it.
...
cya.
I probably wont be posting anymore for a long time.
enjoy your time-wasting rants/flamewars.
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DeveloperX · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:58 am Post subject:

valderman · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 7:31 am Post subject:

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I'll withhold making a judgement of DeveloperX's skills until I have more information, but writing a book does seem overly ambitious. Something like an online tutorial or journal would probably work better for someone who's still learning.

DrunkenCoder · Demon Hunter Joined: 29 May 2002 Posts: 559

Learning about something from scratch when writing a short online tutorial can be ok, but to actually write a book you'll have to already know what you're talking about.

Well and as far as making you feel like worthless shit I won't loose any sleep over that because I probably did you a favour in bringing you back down to earth before someone like happy does. I've stated nothing but facts I've actually had a look at your stuff and I judeged from that.

And as for your goals with writing the book(s)
1: Then develop games figoure stuff out implement be proud, start by actually researching current and used technology.

2: First develop at least a proof of concept of the types you want to teach people about or none will take you seriously.

3: But not as much as you would learn actually developing the games and being part of a community.

4: Keeping track of progress and having a well structured process plays a central role for any bigger software project reflecting about how you always boast about your projects you should already know and have this.

5: Well maybe but it won't be an easy trip and it won't be the fastest way to learn and you'll have to deal with people like me, happy and even worse people most of the time.

6: Welcome... you're already here.. don't want rpg specific goto gamedev.net devmaster.net flipcode.com.... there's lots of communities that are built around this central idea.

7: Try learning a proper language utilizing it good and actually understand what the hell people are trying to say when they give criticizm.

8: If you want connections in "high places" then you'll have to earn them and the way todo that is not by pretending to know stuff you don't.

I have gladly helped you on a number of occasions do you really think I would make that effort just so that I can later bash you?

Really if you think so you really are the most self-centred dumbass I've ever had the missfortune to meet, and I actually considred you a nice guy and that aspect makes it so much worse.
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DeveloperX · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 4:24 am Post subject:

okay, I officially feel like a fool.

I don't know WHY I said those things up there...
geez, I guess I was just mad about something, and took it out on you all.

...here goes my best attempt at apologizing and trying to keep from losing all hopes of having friends here:

DrunkenCoder: I sincerely am sorry for the things that I said to you, and I really appreciate the help and insight that you have given me. I hope that we can just let this go, and forgive and forget.

Others: I'm sorry for posting trash about you all, and I'm sorry for cursing on this forum. I thought really hard about what everyone said, and I have decided to finish at least ONE of my outstanding projects, and then then next, repeat until my majorly hyped, over estimated, outrageous projects have been either completed or scaled down to a reasonable effort.

I will not be posting anymore garbage on this forum, nor will I be starting anymore projects until I'm ready for them.

I have taken on a project that will take me about 14 weeks, I'm in the 2nd week of development right now.
I am making a sequel to a game that has been released.
I have emailed the original programmer, and talked about royalties already, and have gotten the "go ahead" for developing the sequel.

Once I get a playable demo built, I'll announce it here and it will be available from my site, though it is not an RPG, I hope that some of you will check it out.

I do not expect to be posting anymore until I've got the demo.

I have got a schedule and daily progress reports as well as the design document, engine specifications, resources, tools.
I think that I'm on the right track now.

Wish me luck, Please forgive me, Cya.
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Bjorn · Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 9:14 pm Post subject:

Thanks, DeveloperX. I think you did a very good job with sorting out this thread, which I was almost ready to put an end to. I'm sorry to hear about your personal status, being told you're worth nothing by your own family is just wrong. Good luck on your current project!