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Jihgfed Pumpkinhead
Stephen Hawking


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Location: Toronto, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 2:34 pm    Post subject: Game Content [quote]

     Well, recently, Entivore made a great big post with lots of text and such, and the common agreement seemed to be that it was much too long, but some of us did read it, offer advice, etc., and altogether I don't think it went so badly, so I was thinking it would be nice if there could be a single thread where people could post links to text documents, and have people comment on it. This way, people who don't enjoy reading/writing game content would know to avoid it, and won't bother reading a bunch of text they won't enjoy anyway. Well, like I said, that's what I was thinking. If it flies, it flies, if it doesn't, it falls, I guess. We'll see how it goes.
     Oh, I recommended links to simple .txt documents because I think that's the most flexible: firstly, if a lot of people post a lot of content to this one thread, there may be technical problems (I'm not really sure), and besides, if it's stored in straight .txt we can all choose to read it with whatever text-editor we most prefer. But if you really want to include the text right in your post, I guess you can.
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Jihgfed Pumpkinhead
Stephen Hawking


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 2:42 pm    Post subject: Fire [quote]

     So, it was my idea, guess it's only fair I start it off. Here's something I've been working on for Cairn Hill, designed to illustrate the relationships between the main characters. It's a very simple and straightforward story; what I'm really interested in knowing is whether the sort of abstract, extremely brief, rapid style is acceptable. I mean, is it enjoyable? intelligible? I don't really need technical, specific advice on anything, because I'm going to edit it fairly heavily, but ultimately anything you have to tell me about the story is very welcome.
     Oh, and Entivore doesn't have a choice, he has to read it. I read yours, it's only fair. Sorry, you're morally obligated, and that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Heh heh, I'm kidding, of course. Wait, no I'm not.
     Just so that you know, the ages of the characters in the story are: Morgan: 22, Lucifer: 20, Rhea: 18, Harold: 18, Arthur: 16, Betty: 15; and it takes place five years before the game starts. Oh, it's called Fire. Here's a link to the text version: fire.txt, and here's a link to a nicely html-formatted version: fire.html, and here's another fire.html on another server just in case something goes awry with the first two links. The second one has pop-ups, though, just so I've warned you.
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Ironshanks
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:09 pm    Post subject: [quote]

That sounds postively wicked. You really convey a feel for each of the characters. They all seem rather creepy, and yet at the same time not entirely unlikable.

Is this just a sort of preamble for the game? I mean in introducing some of the content.
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Jihgfed Pumpkinhead
Stephen Hawking


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 11:02 pm    Post subject: Purpose of "Fire" [quote]

   Thanks; yes, I suppose I should have stated the purpose of the text. I'd written it mostly to help my understanding of the characters and their relationships. I've posted it here because I was curious how people would respond to the brief, sparse, iconic style. I'm considering writing this way for all the in-game narrative, you see, but I'd like to make sure that that won't turn anybody off. So that's what it's for.
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entivore
Bjørn's Arctic Bitch of the Frozen North


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:09 am    Post subject: [quote]

Well, you are certainly the proactive one. That's good. The story seems alright, though I'm not able to judge really because it's not my style. I focus more on what's happening, not the interactions between people. I had a hard time figuring out what was going on, mainly because not much was. Like I said, I focus more on events and less on people.

So are these guys angels, or are they demons? I couldn't really tell.
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Ironshanks
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:11 am    Post subject: [quote]

Heh, weird. We must come from different reading backgrounds, because I found it fairly clear what was happening.
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Adam
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:37 am    Post subject: [quote]

too short. I wanted to read more :(
highlighting each speaker in a different colour on the html page might help its readability.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 4:15 am    Post subject: [quote]

whoah!! pumpkin's only been here for a short amount of time and look at the amount of posts he has!
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Jihgfed Pumpkinhead
Stephen Hawking


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 4:52 am    Post subject: Bye bye [quote]

     If your point is that I talk too much, Barok, that's mean. It's right, but it's mean, too. Heh heh.
     Anyway, I've got nothing to say right now, and I've just recently promised myself that I'd be good and restrict my casual Internet use for a while, so no more posts from me for a week. I promise. Now's your time to catch up, then, if you've fallen behind. Warning: when week's up, I'll be back with a vengeance.
     Except, I've never got nothing to say. I want to ask this: who is Tenshi, exactly? I mean, I've seen the name around, but given that I am now
Whoever Came Up with the Avatar Names wrote:
Tenshi's Bitch (Peach says "Suck it!")
, I think I should know that person a little better, you know? Wherever you are, Tenshi, I hope you're kind and don't make me do anything too degrading while the privelege lasts.
     Oh, yes, thanks for all the advice on my story. I'm currently working on making it longer and more intelligible.
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Tenshi
Everyone's Peachy Lil' Bitch


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 5:11 am    Post subject: [quote]

- Hah hah hah hah!! Oh dear Lord, that's Mandrake's Wife's doing. I'm Tenshi, obviously. Glad to see you can spell it, a lot of people on Pixelation refer to me as Tenchi with a C, which means "Heaven & Earth", whereas Tenshi with an S means "Angel". In any case. I'm commonly referred to as the tit nazi, or feminist, or heck, in the past there've been strong debates as to whether I'm a guy or a girl. I'm working on an RPG called Unmei Densetsu, and I'm something of a character design theorist. I'm also a very meticulous person. =)
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Ironshanks
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 2:10 am    Post subject: [quote]

Tit nazi! Now that's something...Heh, not only have your rants become a sort of facet of the pixelation community, but they're also a source of constant amusement. Keep it up.

Oh, Jighgfed, it's not like your spamming or anything, you've got a very high ratio of posts to useful posts.
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Barok
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 4:58 am    Post subject: [quote]

not being mean, Pumpkin. anyways, no one could talk more than my brother!

average of stuff around here in the past year (estimates):


number of words my bro said: 142,243
number of time our mom got mad at us: 280
number of times my bros (combined) started crying out because I maybe put them in a headlock or something: 200
number of of games i've made: 1


all i've got for now. chow!
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Tenshi
Everyone's Peachy Lil' Bitch


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Location: Newport News

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:14 am    Post subject: [quote]

[pissy fit]
Quote:
Heh, not only have your rants become a sort of facet of the pixelation community, but they're also a source of constant amusement. Keep it up.

- Eh, I'm beginning to pop up in topics I don't even make comments in (for example, Kaze Neko's "Nurse Gunner Vanessa" topic). I'm preaching to almost deaf ears, dude (though my new "rant" page is looking good. I've been collecting pictures to support my claims and everything!). Such people like FROSTBITE are the physical embodiment of everything I'm against. EVERY one of his female designs has had something dumb in it. And then he's all like "I don't see why (insert problem here) won't work". 'Cause he's a dumbass. If he'd just admit that it's about just being eye-candy and not making sense I'd leave him alone but he [poorly] tries to refute my remarks on my level of reasoning!

- I can't get over when people say "It's not about realism", but they wanna put so much gawd damn research into making sure XX can move realistically, punch, kick, walk, and run realistically. Oh, but running in heels and kicking some ass, yeah, we can ignore that; duking it out with nothing to cover your breasts but an inch-wide strap, yeah, THAT'LL really do it!

- And that's why my stuff is going to be so great. It won't be the same old cookie-cutter senseless skank s#!t that plagues the video game world today.
[/pissy fit]

- Woo........ I feel better [for] now. =)

- If I could do it all over again, I would A) not have argued with everyone when they believed fervently that I'm a woman and B) have been born a woman.
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Jihgfed Pumpkinhead
Stephen Hawking


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 7:15 am    Post subject: My Poor Self and Some Writing Problems [quote]

     Alright, anyone who thought I was actually going to stay silent for seven days straight is mad. Really, though, I should stay quiet, since I've got so much stuff to do; that's why I said I'd be leaving, not because you were being "mean", Barok. Really, I was just kidding, and you were too. You're not getting rid of me that easily, anyway.
     Regarding what Tenshi's talking about, I've lately been noticing gender biases creeping into my writing, into the very core of it, which is more than a little unsettling. You can notice this (at least, I seemed to notice it), in the story I had above.
     I have a request: my game's set in a small town in Wales, in the 1920s, and is centered around an large, aristocratic family estate. There won't be many NPCs, so I want them each to be fairly fully-developed characters on their own. I'm having trouble with the maids, though. I mean, the stereotypes are pretty thick, there, and I'm having trouble making one, let alone two or three, real characters. They tend to be either, well, fairly standard caricatures, or, in the opposite direction, simply men with breasts, so to speak.
     Point is, do you have any advice in this area, since it seems to be a topic of interest to you? I'm having difficulty. Better yet (fingers crossed), would you be willing to write a paragraph character-sketch?
     Okay, now I really am gone for the rest of the week; or at least, for a fair bit of time.
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Terry
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:04 am    Post subject: [quote]

Quote:
I'm having trouble with the maids, though. I mean, the stereotypes are pretty thick, there, and I'm having trouble making one, let alone two or three, real characters. They tend to be either, well, fairly standard caricatures, or, in the opposite direction, simply men with breasts, so to speak.


Perhaps you'll find this piece of advice useful :

Quote:
'How do you write women so well?'

'I think of a Man - and I take away reason, and accountability!'

(From the film 'As good as it gets'.)

Hmm... not very helpful? :) Oh well...

- Terry Cavanagh
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