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Bjorn
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| XMark wrote: | | Jeez, if those are considered bad graphics, then how freakin' high is everyone's standards? |
They're professionally looking 3D renders, but after you've seen the first screenshot, you've also seen the rest, as they're all the same. Also, while the houses look nice, the grass looks very bad still, which makes for a rather weird contrast. Anyway, I'm assuming ExploreRPG didn't create these graphics, maybe just clicked together the map.
For the rest, I agree with anybody but Rooter here that ExploreRPG is only interested in showing off, praise and money. This is not the right place, ExploreRPG, and I'm astonished you haven't found out already in earlier plugs for your engine you did here. Bragging on about your PayPal account just makes things worse, and the only reason you've posted that seems to be so you can call people jealeous when they give you come critical feedback.
Now take your project and leave, please. Or change your attitude, if that is at all possible.
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Mandrake
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Is this the maturity level of rpgdx?
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Yes. Yes it is.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. Yes it is. |
I generally find that it is those who comment upon maturity level/content that are themselves immature. Isn't that curious?
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Mandrake
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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sho nuff, oh wise and smarmy one.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| LeoDraco wrote: | | Mandrake wrote: | | Quote: |
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Yes. Yes it is. |
I generally find that it is those who comment upon maturity level/content that are themselves immature. Isn't that curious? |
Very curious, indeed.
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exploreRPG
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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For the rest, I agree with anybody but Rooter here that ExploreRPG is only interested in showing off, praise and money. This is not the right place, ExploreRPG, and I'm astonished you haven't found out already in earlier plugs for your engine you did here. Bragging on about your PayPal account just makes things worse, and the only reason you've posted that seems to be so you can call people jealeous when they give you come critical feedback.
Now take your project and leave, please. Or change your attitude, if that is at all possible. |
LOL - You are really funny... Read my original post.. None of them had an "attitude". Its just SCREENSHOTS, if you read my original post I stated, "I do NOT want to talk about software development." - It usually starts flame wars. (Which I pretty much proved.)
Why not put this disclaimer on this forum?
Feel free to post screenshots but NOT if they are in resolutions higher than 300x200 resolution. Do NOT post graphics rendered from commercial graphic artists and be prepared to be attacked if you IMPROVE your product or graphics in ANY WAY. Only post screenshots of rm2k chipsets and unpolished pixel art. This is the official rules for RPGDX Screenshot Forum.
I am not attempting to *sell* my engine to anyone from this site. In fact, if I receive an order from someone from this site, I'll gladly return the money and not validate their key. - I'm just trying show productivity and graphics. I explained why I liked AD&D, and posted some screens. (no biggy, there)
Now look at all the responses.. Flame after flame.. and you expect me not to defend myself? I posted that Kevin should not respond to ANY of my thread.. But look who is the 1st response to every post I make.. So tell me, who's looking for trouble here? - [sarcasm]oh, lemme guess.. You and Kevin are best friends right? And Fury2 "owns" Explorations.. [/sarcam]
There are alot of projects on this website that seem to be "intimidated" by the quality the Explorations displays.. Don't be.. Its just a game engine.. It's just my pet project, nothing more nothing less. Insulting me/it seems like alot of jealousy and immaturity. If you don't like the graphics, I can't really say much.. I'm not an artist.. (I try my best.) :)
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Explorations: Seems to me that you only care about how well your product sells, and don't give a fuck about any constructive criticism anyone gives you. |
As soon as you quote 1 line of CONSTRUCTIVE criticism from all the responses, I'll address it..
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And about the graphics-- They aren't bad, but they are bland. They've got no... Style.
Personally, I prefer 256 color hand-pixelled graphics over isometric pre-rendered ones, but maybe that's just because I'm a pixel artist, not a 3d modeller, and I've grown fond of the type of art I work with.
EDIT: I'm eager to see what kind of half-assed, pointless retort you'll post next. |
Hows this? Why are you posting to me? Who are you? I support my project and I posted screens... What such a big deal about posting screenshots in a Screenshot Forum?
Its clear that every post I make.. (of nothing but screenshots) gets over 20+ responses and jealous attacks.. I'm quite flattered..
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Anyway, the point is, you're being a careless asshole about your 'superior' product.
I honestly do not care how well it's selling. If you didn't give it your all and won't take crits, then it's not worth it. |
Explorations is not superior.. Its a game engine.. nothing more.. nothing less.. I think you/others are a little upset at your INFERIORITY before I'm causing trouble as a result of my "superiority". Really, go back and read everyones message. Who insults who first? - Common now?
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I'd much rather have a project that I cared about that didn't sell at all, than one that I didn't put any effort into and sold like crazy.
I know you say you care about Explorations, but... It doesn't show.
Or maybe you care too fucking much, to the point where you won't change anything no matter what anyone says. |
WTF? I *DO* care about Explorations.. I think its clear based on the quality. I DON'T CARE ABOUT IMMATURE PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF. Its just a screenshot... LOL...
Furthermore, there hasn't been 1 post offering help, CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, or anything to change.. Who ask me to change anything? I only see flames... jealous flames..
I guess because I laugh at you, it makes me seem cocky/arrogant.. But what am I supposed to do? I'm not mad at anyone, I just posted a frickin screenshot.. ha!
I spent the entire 1st post justifying my design when I only intended to show screenshots.. As a result 2 or 3 "wanna be programmers", accuse my script language of attempting to be a programming language. A bunch of pointless, OFF TOPIC accusations over a few screenshots.. ha!
Explorations isn't for developers.. its supposed to be about having fun.. not making you jealous or mad..
Tye
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js71
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| janus wrote: | | uh... those screenshots look ok, I guess... but why are you posting them if you're not even sure you're going to release it? all the houses look the same, it might be nice if there was a bit more variety. the solid shadows look a bit odd, as well, considering that everything else looks more realistic. The grass could probably use a bit more detail, too. How about some blade of grass sprites you can walk behind? Compared to the stone walkways the grass looks kind of bland. |
Constructive criticism. Right there.
He said what he didn't like and gave good reasons.
Now, I do admit I overreacted quite a bit in my last post. I'm not trying to randomly turn around apologize for all my actions here, but I did jump in the flames a bit quickly there, especially with:
| Quote: | | I'm eager to see what kind of half-assed, pointless retort you'll post next. |
I apologize for that.
But the thing is, what I post is my opinion, whether it's affected by posts before mine or not... And it is my opinion that you were being rather cocky.
Sure, I flamed, and I realize I may have acted a bit rashly. (well, in fact I know I did.)
Pretty much, I should have stated my views and opinions more calmly-- But even so, like I said, this isn't a big apology.
I still retain my opinion that you are being a bit cocky, though I realize you didn't start the flames... But then, neither did I.
But that's not really important; while I still stand by some of my earlier points, I admit I'm not usually that aggressive and as such overreacted a fair amount.
To sum it up, your graphics are certainly acceptable, but they could use a bit more style and variation. Perhaps several different new grass tiles as well...
Oh, and one more thing.
| Quote: | | Only post screenshots of rm2k chipsets and unpolished pixel art |
That kind of got to me. Who said any of the pixel art on this site was 'unpolished' or even edited rm2k chipsets?
You haven't even seen my art, but I felt as if you were taking a jab at me there.
Yeah, I did make quite a few jabs at you, so maybe I deserved it.
Oh well; I've gotten my point across-- I'm done.
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exploreRPG
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Josiah..
Thanks man, I'm not here to start trouble.. But clearly, my original post is just a screenshot and talking about AD&D. I am not a graphic artist, I use commercial art and I am learning some of the rendering techniques as I go. My graphics talents need ALOT of work.. I'm a developer, so consider that I program and create my own art.. (and program for a living.) I think the screenshots are decent for a 1 man effort, so when I get attack I just laugh and respond with the same sarcasm that I'm given.
I just can't figure out why Kevin won't just leave me alone. He has been flaming/attacking my project for over 5 years now. If he spent more time working on Fury and less time worrying about me he'd have some decent screenshots @ 800x600 resolution, don't you think?
Again, if I attack you I'm sorry.. (I don't think I did.) I'm just trying to figure out how a 100% un-directed post makes people respond to me as if I mention/insulted them. (If you read my ONLY 2 posts you'll see this happen in both cases.)
Where are the moderators? - No where to be found.. Sleeping at the wheel..
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uh... those screenshots look ok, I guess... but why are you posting them if you're not even sure you're going to release it? all the houses look the same, it might be nice if there was a bit more variety. the solid shadows look a bit odd, as well, considering that everything else looks more realistic. The grass could probably use a bit more detail, too. How about some blade of grass sprites you can walk behind? Compared to the stone walkways the grass looks kind of bland. |
I didn't want to respond because I didn't want to start a dialog with Kevin. The grass is flat because this particular map forces sprites to stay on the path. I used a simple grass tile as a sorta "background".
There are 4 different house types.. Games uses similar (repeated) houses all the time. Houses that appear the same(repeated) are usually just filler and don't allow people to enter.. (no mystery there.)
All the requests for blades of grass, and other stuff is just up to the artist. (which I'm not) - Consider this test-art.. I think that the ability to drag/drop a map together proves the point of the quality of the map editor.
Look at it this way..
An amature artist(me) created the screenshots in this thread.. Imagine what a real artist can do.. I recieved more support from artists because Explorations makes non-programming artist have a platform to use thier art in games.
oh well.. I hope this clarifies my position and resolves any mis-conception about my "ego." - There are nice ways to criticize and help people. Immature insults usually gets a like response. Thanks again...
Tye
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Bjorn
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| exploreRPG wrote: | | Where are the moderators? - No where to be found.. Sleeping at the wheel.. |
You mean you want me to delete the thread and block you? Think for a minute man, before posting yet another long winded and arrogant reply. You have a very obvious attitude of superiority, that nobody really agrees with, and you have no problem insulting the whole community while laughing out loudly thinking it's all so funny.
Even after only the first two comments, which were only stating they didn't really like the graphics, and wanted to know about gameplay, you respond with:
| exploreRPG wrote: | | There is always rm2k for you guys... I think those 16x16 tiles, 256 color may suit your tastes.. LOL |
There we have exactly what I'm talking about. A huge sense of looking down upon, and laughing loudly while you're at it. And after saying that you go on to rub everybody in the face about how you're making so much money through PayPal. Now tell me again you are surprised about the amount of hostility you get here.
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BadMrBox
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Common, do you really think wasting your time posting is going to affect my product? Do you think that your opinion counts to me? |
So what the hell are you doing here ERPG? The main reason with a forum like this are to get affected by other peoples opinions. Dont post anything if you dont want reactions. Bloody idiot.
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exploreRPG
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You mean you want me to delete the thread and block you? Think for a minute man, before posting yet another long winded and arrogant reply. You have a very obvious attitude of superiority, that nobody really agrees with, and you have no problem insulting the whole community while laughing out loudly thinking it's all so funny. |
Delete me?!? Block Me?!? You don't as much as issue a warning to Kevin for his posts but you call my reply arrogant.. Get real.. You deleted a post I made to H-World saying.. "Very nice.. very nice indeed.." I guess that is arrogant as well?
You've proven your biased opinion from my very first post. If you intend to delete/block me you are only proving me right.. Don't worry, I won't post another screenshot on a thread with a biased moderator. (I didn't expect you to be so stupid.)
Here are a few questions...
1) Why do YOU allow a simple thread showing screenshots to escalate into a 20-50 response flame war?
2) I'm only 1 person.. Who states I don't want to talk about software design because it will start a flame war. When people start attacking my design you don't step in to delete/stop the war.
Hell, I stated I didn't want to discuss it. I even told YOU in an email that Kevin is a trouble maker for my project. (I don't like to respond to him.)
As a user I have done everything to try to AVOID confrontation. But how come *MY* thread is getting all these responses from people? How come YOU allow it?
1) I don't know these people -outside of Kevin the TROLL
2) Many of these people I DID NOT address.
Since I've TRIED avoided confrontation.. Why don't you help? Why don't you tell the same people that didn't respect my "no design discussion" request to bug off? As a result, I'm the bad guy?!?! - It is VERY FUNNY.. LOL
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There we have exactly what I'm talking about. A huge sense of looking down upon, and laughing loudly while you're at it. And after saying that you go on to rub everybody in the face about how you're making so much money through PayPal.[quote]
The two comments were from Kevin and Rainer Dyke.. who (I guess you forgot), were just attacking my design in the 1st post. Did you forget? Did you forget about the email I sent you about Kevin? - You call this fair? You call yourself a moderator?
I didn't rub *EVERYBODY* in the face, only the jerks who are trouble makers and flame my graphics.. As I recall...
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Mandrake when asked about the maturity level of rpgdx:
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Jeez, if those are considered bad graphics, then how freakin' high is everyone's standards? |
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| Quote: | | Now tell me again you are surprised about the amount of hostility you get here. |
Yea... I am surprised.. ITS JUST A SCREENSHOT! Kevin & the other guy are TROLLS. Your opinion was fair, and the guys who I quoted can see how you were attacking my graphics as if I claim to be a professional artist.
My sarcasm and LOL is because this is all very stupid behavior.
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So what the hell are you doing here ERPG? The main reason with a forum like this are to get affected by other peoples opinions. Dont post anything if you dont want reactions. Bloody idiot. |
You call me an idiot because, I DIDN'T know. If I had known rpgdx was like GamingW. Dead beat Moderators. A host of wanna-be software developers who can't respect other programmers work. I wouldn't have posted. After all.. the site claims.. "The center of indie-RPG gaming" - LOL
People who see this sarcasm are only seeing one side of the story. I may have an email that shows the more BIASED side of Bjorn.
I expect reactions.. but not immature attacks.. I expect the moderator to see someone being a troll and correct them. If I post another message and Kevin follows me there, he isn't "looking for trouble right?" He has the right to be a troll, but I don't have the right to defend myself?!
Something to consider..
Who is Kevin to criticize my graphics?
Would you guys rather my screenshots looked like this? I can render Explorations at 300x200 and run at a measly 11FPS.. but thats just not what my target audience would expect. ;)
If Kevin's graphics look "sub-par", I expected a fair review. Talk about the Pros, the Cons, and the indifferent. But that would be too mature, I guess.
This is my final post at rpgdx! I'll check this site every year to see if ANY of these projects have improved to commercial quality. PUT UP or SHUT UP. Until the developers here deliver a commercial quality alternative rpgengine, you guys sound like a bunch of bitter old ladies.
Jealous because I have better graphics.
Jealous or just Ignorant of my design.
and finally Jealous because I'm selling my product and supporting my customers.
Stop flaming and Get to work!
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Bjorn
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| exploreRPG wrote: | | Delete me?!? Block Me?!? You don't as much as issue a warning to Kevin for his posts but you call my reply arrogant.. Get real.. You deleted a post I made to H-World saying.. "Very nice.. very nice indeed.." I guess that is arrogant as well? |
Not a good idea to start retrieving old cows that I have apologized to you for. It was a misunderstanding, and you didn't care to repost it, so you are without argument here.
As far as the rest of this thread goes, as requested, it remains as a locked reference.
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