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Captain Vimes
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| IkamashoZ wrote: | | Most of us here are probably between the ages of 20 and 30, the generation that was a product of the early to late 90's, a time when the evil and viscious conservative right had not yet achieved thier iron grip on the US government and society, though they were gaining strength. |
HAH! Wrong! 15!
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Nodtveidt
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Maestro134 wrote: | | HAH! Wrong! 15! |
He said MOST. And he was correct. You're simply the exception. :P
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DeveloperX
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| nodtveidt wrote: | | Maestro134 wrote: | | HAH! Wrong! 15! |
He said MOST. And he was correct. You're simply the exception. :P |
22 here. yep, most are between 20 & 30.
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BadMrBox
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25 here. Ten years goes by so fast :/.
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RedSlash
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25 here.
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Terry
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Really? I sorta figured most people here were in their late teens.
I turned 23 a few weeks ago.
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IkimashoZ
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| nodtveidt wrote: | | IkimashoZ wrote: | | Most of us here are probably between the ages of 20 and 30, the generation that was a product of the early to late 90's, a time when the evil and viscious conservative right had not yet achieved thier iron grip on the US government and society, though they were gaining strength. |
| Maestro134 wrote: | | HAH! Wrong! 15! |
He said MOST. And he was correct. You're simply the exception. :P |
I hope that you're not implying, Maestro, that your being 15 correlates somehow to the conservative right not being evil and viscious, that their idiotic drivel hasn't infiltrated the ethos of American society, and that they weren't gaining strength in the mid to late 90's.
That would be, well, conservative-style logic. That is to say, it would be completely illogical and fundamentally wrong.
If you weren't implying this at all, and I've taken your comment way too seriously, my apologies.
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tunginobi
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| IkimashoZ wrote: | | I hope that you're not implying, Maestro, that your being 15 correlates somehow to the conservative right not being evil and viscious |
His focus: age.
Your focus: politics.
Age is more fun to talk about. I'm 20 myself.
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IkimashoZ
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| tunginobi wrote: |
His focus: age.
Your focus: politics.
Age is more fun to talk about. |
You're kidding, right? ;)
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Ninkazu
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I joined RPGDX when I was 15 or 16. I'm 19 now.
My look on politics is a bit too different for open discussion.
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cowgod
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26.
Generally, I figure that all government is bad. If I didn't lose 20% of my income to various taxes, I estimate that I could increase my investments by nearly 50% in the coming years.
And I'm in a "good" tax bracket.
For every 5 years I work, 1 year of my income will be given to various governments. If I were in charge of the government, I could do a much better job and would be willing to work for minimum wage.
I would be the most benevolent dictator ever. I'd make everyone use flourescent light bulbs and get rid of coal power, but I'd use my special budgeting strategy to fix the government: reduce operating costs and stop spending money on crap.
Ever hear of a federal grant? Any grant that doesn't further technology will be eliminated when (if) I come to power. Given that the world is currently overpopulated, I'd cut all funding for medical research as well. It may sound harsh, but it's really just common sense. You can't sacrifice the species to extend the average life expectancy by a few years, especially when the last few years of life are generally the least fun.
I would redirect the money into paying off the federal government's debts (7% of their spending goes just to the interest) and then lower taxes
Vote for Steve (that's me). Cause he's a darn nice guy.
You'll have to write my name on the ballot because I'm not actually running for office at this time.
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IkimashoZ
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| cowgod wrote: | 26.
Generally, I figure that all government is bad. If I didn't lose 20% of my income to various taxes, I estimate that I could increase my investments by nearly 50% in the coming years.
And I'm in a "good" tax bracket.
For every 5 years I work, 1 year of my income will be given to various governments. If I were in charge of the government, I could do a much better job and would be willing to work for minimum wage.
I would be the most benevolent dictator ever. I'd make everyone use flourescent light bulbs and get rid of coal power, but I'd use my special budgeting strategy to fix the government: reduce operating costs and stop spending money on crap.
Ever hear of a federal grant? Any grant that doesn't further technology will be eliminated when (if) I come to power. Given that the world is currently overpopulated, I'd cut all funding for medical research as well. It may sound harsh, but it's really just common sense. You can't sacrifice the species to extend the average life expectancy by a few years, especially when the last few years of life are generally the least fun.
I would redirect the money into paying off the federal government's debts (7% of their spending goes just to the interest) and then lower taxes
Vote for Steve (that's me). Cause he's a darn nice guy.
You'll have to write my name on the ballot because I'm not actually running for office at this time. |
Here's the problem with the "if I didn't have to pay taxes, ..." argument.
Do you like roads? I like roads. Oh, how about fire stations. I like those too. How about the pipes that carry water from the plant to your property? How about the pipes that carry your human waste away from your house? Do you like the plant that cleans up your waste and gets rid of it for you every day while you're at work? How about the guy who has to actually manage the plant that cleans up your waste? Do you like him?
If government becomes as small as many Americans say they would like, these services disappear. Many Americans have become so duped by fifty years of prosperity, so confortable in a society that (at least used to) cater to thier every want and desire, that American culture as a whole seems to have forgotten the Great Depression. We seem to think that we are so great, that every single member of the nation is impervious to disease, hunger, or any other form of ruin that we don't need this "oppressive" system of government that imposes rules and regulations on us. Being "free" suddenly came to mean "freedom from responsibility to society", not "free from oppression or dictatorship". Or, worse yet than thinking that everyone would be well off w/o taxes, some of us think that poor people "deserve" to live in squalor, because they're somehow "worse" human beings than those of us with a decent amount to a freaking lot of money. All I can say to these people is that you guys can go set up your own fascist dictatorship elsewhere. In the US, we have a constitution that says where a democratic republic.
I also have issues with the idea of the "benevolant dicator". This is no such thing. Power corrupts. Period. Sure, it's easy to say in your current position the things that you would do, but if you actually got the power, the getting of the power would change you. You wouldn't be the same person that you are now, for whom it's easy to analyze the current situation and see what needs to be done. Although, I have to agree, your proposed solution to America's terrible energy problem isn't all that bad. I'm also curious of exactly who's taxes you'd cut. And if it was your parents or siblings with some debilitating disease, would you really want there not to be a medical system to save thier lives??
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Rainer Deyke
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I don't really care about taxes, so long as I have enough left over to survive in relative comfort. I do care about my taxes being spent on things that are in direct opposition to my values. Such as, say, the war in Iraq, or the military in general.
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IkimashoZ
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| Rainer Deyke wrote: | | I don't really care about taxes, so long as I have enough left over to survive in relative comfort. I do care about my taxes being spent on things that are in direct opposition to my values. Such as, say, the war in Iraq, or the military in general. |
Right, which is why people shouldn't vote for the village idiot. And more importantly, people should be as personally active in thier local government as time allows. Even someone with as hectic a schedule as a single, working mother could find time to write a letter to her senator every other month.
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Terry
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I've never really understood the American preoccupation with taxes, especially since they're practically non-existent. Taxes in this country, for example, are currently at 41% for the standard higher rate. In France I hear they're closer to 50%.
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