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tcaudilllg
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I see. Then we are indeed in trouble.
Can I plead with you to look that over again? Maybe you should have read the whole theory first. Did you notice that several people on that site agree with me?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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I did read the whole thing. It just doesn't hold up.
If there's no demand for a product, there's no market. No matter what theory you apply to it :-)
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tcaudilllg
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:02 am Post subject: |
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My argument is that whether or not a person will ever demand a product can be estimated to a high degree of accuracy by understanding their personal traits. The question with regard to the truth of my statement to DevX is, will the people who have disposition for interest in the product pay for it/donate for it. I believe they would, because I believe this is the product that people with my traits have been waiting for.
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Mattias Gustavsson
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:23 am Post subject: |
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This is the issur right here:
| LordGalbalan wrote: | | The proof of the tool's market lies in the fact that you believe it doesn't have one. There will invariably be people who disagree with you and thus, those people will use the tool. |
Assume that I say "I don't think there is a viable market for that tool".
It is certainly possible that there is another person who will say "I disagree, I think there IS a viable market". I'll even go along with your claim that there ALWAYS WILL BE such a person, for the sake of the discussion.
But guess what? That doesn't mean that there WILL BE A MARKET. Or, for that matter, that it will be one you can reach, or that it is viable.
So no, the fact that DevX doesn't believe that there is a market, isn't proof that there is one :D
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tcaudilllg
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Mattias Gustavsson wrote: | This is the issur right here:
| LordGalbalan wrote: | | The proof of the tool's market lies in the fact that you believe it doesn't have one. There will invariably be people who disagree with you and thus, those people will use the tool. |
Assume that I say "I don't think there is a viable market for that tool".
It is certainly possible that there is another person who will say "I disagree, I think there IS a viable market". I'll even go along with your claim that there ALWAYS WILL BE such a person, for the sake of the discussion.
But guess what? That doesn't mean that there WILL BE A MARKET. Or, for that matter, that it will be one you can reach, or that it is viable.
So no, the fact that DevX doesn't believe that there is a market, isn't proof that there is one :D |
True, however what are DevX's reasons for believing there is no market? If he is assuming that only people whom are interested in the things he is will use the tool, then indeed his statement is valid from the standpoint of that market. However, what of people who are not interested in the things he is? I am one such person, I believe, and so I believe I can hold with all or most people who do not hold DevX's interests. I have researched the topic, and it turns out that people have interest in that which they can perform with minimal frustration. (that is, what they're good at) People try to avoid doing what they are not good at because frustration is not pleasurable. There is a pattern which underlies what one is good at: for example, people who are good with numbers tend to be not so good at acting. People who have quick reflexes tend to be not so good at identifying theirs and others' emotions, because noticing a person's emotional state might cause them to hesitate. Similarly, people who are aware of the emotional signals around them are slower than those who don't: it's a dichotomy which reveals oneself when one considers that developing dexterity requires a lot of attention to elements which are not related to another person's emotional welfare. It's just how the system works.
Think of it as different reasons for watching anime: people who pick up on emotional signals easily watch it for the characters and their relationships to each other. People who don't pick up on the signals watch it for the action. In general, programmers fall into the latter group, which, if they don't keep an open mind, biases them when it comes to product development.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:16 am Post subject: |
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You're confusing the existance of an opinion with the existance of a physical thing. Believing that there is a market is an opinion - the existence of a market is a measurable, physical thing.
If I believe that the earth is a sphere, you might be right that there will always be someone to disagree (flat-earth society anyone?) - but that doesn't automatically mean that the earth is flat, does it?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Mattias Gustavsson wrote: | You're confusing the existance of an opinion with the existance of a physical thing. Believing that there is a market is an opinion - the existence of a market is a measurable, physical thing.
If I believe that the earth is a sphere, you might be right that there will always be someone to disagree (flat-earth society anyone?) - but that doesn't automatically mean that the earth is flat, does it? |
And that is the winning argument right there.
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No it's not... but you can't see that, so I'm not going to press it further.
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Actually, it is - at least for now, it seems.
By saying things along the lines of "I'm right, and if you can't see that, I won't explain myself", you're not exactly earning the respect of the people reading your posts :D
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...From my vantagepoint, I'm Dyne and you're Ghaleon. No really, your position is predicatable in light of the theory. You have X point of view and Y point of view is associated with that automatically. Same for me. Of course, I'm a bit more aware of the situation because I have the understanding of traits... so in leu of you not adopting that understanding I have that advantage because my framework of reality is more comprehensive.
Some people are OK with accepting they have clarity with respect to the real situation, and others insist that the current viewpoint they hold is all that is. Still others try to cop it out and insist the real situation can never be known. It's all clear relative to the theory.
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tcaudilllg
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Mattias Gustavsson wrote: | | You're a funny guy :D |
I wasn't being funny.
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