[XMark]

I think the best way to sum up QBasic is that it makes the complicated stuff easier to do, but the simple stuff harder to do.
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[Ninkazu]

simple stuff like using the palette and such? Or writing to VGA memory?

Well whatever. I just like it because you get to do every single thing yourself instead of having crappy 'ol directx do it for ya.

[Mandrake]

[Tenshi]

[Ninkazu]

There are many things wrong with it beyond what I can post here, but what I meant by doing things all myself is just what I want to do. Haven't you ever felt ashamed when you use Direct3D to completely render a terrain you've loaded without many formulas and whatnot? But as I said before... called me a purist, but I must do everything right down to the pixel plotting routine.

[Mandrake]

which you can do in C/C++.

Duh.

How do you think C/C++ libs are done? Via magic? DirectX is a lib, it was programmed to extend C/C++ it's not the language itself. Is DirectQB, DS4QB, Dash, etc necassy in QB? no. Neither are libs in C/C++. Hell it's easier to code your own stuff in C/C++, even creating ASM code to do all the speed critical stuff for you since there are thousands of lib managers and tools to assist you.

[Ninkazu]

Quiet you!
*murmurs*

Well.......... I like QB and no one can take that away from me!

I also hate asm because I don't understand it at all.

Yes... QB... yes....

[dw74]

I actually really like QBasic, I used it to write my first RPG. Its simple and fast to program.
But if I have to do anything at all mathmatically complex then I always use C++. Another feature that makes C++ infinately more powerful is classes, they make it possible to abstract everything away from the main program and simplify the code in main().

Also it is (technically):

[Tenshi]

EXIT_SUCCESS is an ANSI standard constant with the value 0 , *for now*.

when possible, main() should always return EXIT_SUCCESS, and not "return 0". It's just a good programming practice.
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[Ninkazu]

in all of my many C++ books I've never seen EXIT_SUCCESS

[Mandrake]

that's because most programmers are too lazy too type up anything more than the number 0. heh.

[Tenshi]

- Deitel & Deitel : C++ How to Program. Third Edition
p. 923
( I was taught this method in my CompSci courses ).

"...The argument is normally the symbolic constant EXIT_SUCCESS or EXIT_FAILURE. If exit is called with EXIT_SUCCESS, the implementation-defined value for successful termination is returned to the calling environment. If exit is called with EXIT_FAILURE, the implementation-defined value for unsuccessful termination is returned...."

- Key phrase being "implementation-defined value for ..."

- And as Mandrake said, most Programmers are too lazy to do it this way. OUr instructors took off points on our programs if we didn't do it that way.
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[dw74]

I've never seen an ANSI Standard Book that used:

[akOOma]

I started also with QB and I'm still coding with it. But for games I use Libs like UGL, RelLib, cause of better graphic routines. I think it's an experience to code good AND fast games in QB, cause QB it's not the latest coding language, you know.

But I must say: At the moment I'm learning C++ with DirectX to make better and faster games.

As a last word to all QB coder:

Keep on coding in QB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[Nexinarus]

Fun a flame war ;).

Ok, i think the number one reason people code in qb is because they find it easier, or, do not have anything else.

Also whats wrong with using libs? im lazy and id rather not code my own 10mb+ library to draw 3d things.

Also, return 0 is nicer, i hate massive programs ;). Massive programs seem to be more cryptic than short programs, im a minimalistic :P.
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