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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:23 pm    Post subject: [quote]

- Well, I dunno about that, a lot of women can be very reasonable and accountable.

- First of all, my suggestion to you is to make sure you do plenty of research into the various societal expectancies during that time period, how people (men & women) were expected to behave. The societal stereotypes and all that.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:28 am    Post subject: [quote]

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Well, I dunno about that, a lot of women can be very reasonable and accountable.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 2:32 am    Post subject: My document... [quote]

http://www.indie-rpg.net/rpgdx/showgame.php?project_id=115

It's the description for my game, King of the Visigoths. Any feedback is appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 3:08 pm    Post subject: Response to "King of the Visigoths" [quote]

     Well, Flake, I really like the story so far. Is it factual? It doesn't really matter, since the fact that it certainly seems real is enough, but I am rather curious.
     I don't really see what the game itself is supposed to consist of, though. You are to play Basilius, on his way to Rome, right? Does it extend further than this? If that were all you got to do, it would be a little disappointing. Also, it's a little confusing where Basilius' loyalties lie. I understand that he wants to defend Rome, but beyond that, does he still follow the Emperor? Or does he even know? I mean, in the text you have here, it's far, far easier to sympathize with Alaric (who seems, actually, rather cool) than Honorius (who's just lame right down to his name).
     I trust you're not going to dump all that text on the player at the beginning of the game. Any thoughts on how you're going to get it across? Revealing a complicated back-story in a manner both coherent and entertaining is always difficult.
     As I said, I like the story: it's entertaining and interesting. Basilius in particular comes across as a compelling character, and one whom it would be interesting to play. Again, though, it's unclear exactly how it's being transformed into a game; if I knew a little more about that, I could be more precise in my recommendations.
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Tenshi wrote:
... do plenty of research ...
You mean, like, work? Isn't there some other way, something less drastic? I suppose I could just steal someone else's characters, that should be easy, but then again... hmm... Well, it looks like there's no way around it: I might actually have to do work. That sucks.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 3:12 pm    Post subject: [quote]

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You mean, like, work? Isn't there some other way, something less drastic? I suppose I could just steal someone else's characters, that should be easy, but then again... hmm... Well, it looks like there's no way around it: I might actually have to do work. That sucks

- Hah hah. It's all good. Trust me, the rewards far outweigh the labor. I researched the Saree long before I made use of it in this picture. It just impresses detail-oriented people like myself when you know what you're talking about.
- Obviously you can't apply contemporary American ideals (or wherever you live) to a time period 80 years in the past.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 3:45 pm    Post subject: Crazy, Crazy,Crazy [quote]

     How about contemporary Canadian ideals? Or better yet, most of my reading is 19th century; how about I just mix together my modern Canadian ideals with 19th century European ideals to hopefully create 1920's Welsh? Could that work? Let's see... it's 2003 now, that means I need to read stuff from something like 1841. Can anybody recommend anything good?
     Seriously, though, do you think stuff written in the time-period will do, or do you really recommend actual research?
     Hey, that picture's pretty good. Who are the Saree, though?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Response to "King of the Visigoths" [quote]

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You are to play Basilius, on his way to Rome, right? Does it extend further than this? If that were all you got to do, it would be a little disappointing.


It does extend further than that, I have a sub-plot written that explains Olympius' motives for coercing Honorius into executing Stilicho, and I should point out that the story is still somewhat under development. I know that, after this specific sub-plot with Olympius, which ends after about the 9th ASCII map (first half of the game), I'll need something to keep the player interested in terms of story for the next 9 up to the end of the game.

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Also, it's a little confusing where Basilius' loyalties lie. I understand that he wants to defend Rome, but beyond that, does he still follow the Emperor? Or does he even know? I mean, in the text you have here, it's far, far easier to sympathize with Alaric (who seems, actually, rather cool) than Honorius (who's just lame right down to his name).


As you can tell from the incident with Serena, Basilius doesn't entirely follow the Emperor, but doesn't go as far as aiding the Visigoths, not after the second siege where they starved the Romans. If you're thinking, "Why not lead a coup against Honorius?", the problem with that is that in order to avoid being assassinated 5 minutes after taking office, Basilius would have to execute several of the high Roman aristocracy (Olympius for example), that in turn would tick off several generals in the military who are related to those aristocrats.

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I trust you're not going to dump all that text on the player at the beginning of the game. Any thoughts on how you're going to get it across?


I was thinking of putting an intro in like put a couple lines in which condenses one of the main points to the screen, press any key to go on, clear the screen, write another couple lines for the next point, etc. something like the intro to Last Rose in a Desert Garden.

It's mostly factual, pretty much all of the events detailed in that text did happen back then, except that the peace negotiations went a little differently in the game than what happened back then.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:07 pm    Post subject: Response to Information on "King of the Visigoths" [quote]

     Okay, I see. I highly recommend, if it's not too much effort, creating an in-game timeline cum index. The story is long and complex enough that the player could easily get confused; if, whenever they see a turn or event they don't remember, they could look it up in the index, that would go a long way towards keeping it clear, and yet wouldn't distract with a whole bunch of exposition. You might even decide that when someone refers to something the PC would know about but which the player may have forgotten, that term would serve as a link to the correct spot of the index. For example, a NPC-armchair-politician asks:
    Rhaetia isn't important. Why doesn't Honorius just buy Alaric off, like he did during their first invsion?
If the in-text highlighting gets a little distracting, you could list all the unusual terms in some other part of the screen, where they'll also be easily accessed. A game which does this very well is "Cosmology of Kyoto" (which I'd highly recommend on its own merits as well).
     I do hope you get to beat down Olympius at some point in the game. I don't like him.
     Good luck. The game sounds interesting. I'll be on tenterhooks until it's done.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2003 7:15 am    Post subject: [quote]

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Seriously, though, do you think stuff written in the time-period will do, or do you really recommend actual research?
Hey, that picture's pretty good. Who are the Saree, though?

- It's seriously up to you. Reading from the period may work, taking a guess may work, researching the time may work, it's up to you. And a Saree is a traditional Indian very long, large cloth worn around the body over a petticoat and dress, not a tribe or anything like that.
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