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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:50 am    Post subject: And the winner is... [quote]

The winner of that argument was obviously Mandrake. Rooter's style of polishing an engine is absurd. I'll be damned if someone is going to lift the plotline, dialogue and even the graphics right out of a game just to PORT it over to a completely different platform. If I was going to do a port, I'd redraw all the chrono trigger characters and then place my hideous creations in a plotline straight out of a Dicken's novel. Wait, wait, that isn't a port at all though. But the fact remains that porting a game for the coding challenge alone is unacceptable, and its practically stealing too! Rooter was so in need of that thrashing, and it was benevolently bestowed by Mandrake.

After Mandrake declared that he would "end [his] rant", Rooter foolishly replied, forcing Mandrake to be hypocritical, and enter the argument once again, boasting obvious claims of superiority. A man with many years of experience under his belt, and over 500 posts cannot be wrong folks! Believe me when I say the only way to enjoy coding and the pleasure of figuring out how a game is done is the Mandrake way! If you decide you would rather focus on programming, and then gather a team to support you by displaying your technical abilities and dedication in a port of something like Chrono Trigger you better watch out, cause if a programmer can't also do art he's a worthless piece of crap. Rooter, you are crap. Why did you post your project here, Rooter? Regardless of the fact you explained it probably ten times already, I just had to ask that question again!

What it comes down to is that you need to improve your art skills, Rooter. Anyone can improve themselves in this way, though Mandrake is struggling with things like spelling, that doesn't matter or anything cause he's right and you are wrong! Plus you also can't blatantly rip off a game by porting it and then openly saying that you are just doing a port. You are such a lazy thief Rooter! You didn't even swap the character palettes or change the name of the game, you just tacked "for GBA" at the end and that was that. The next time you feel like porting something, think of an original game, make it for the PC and then port it to GBA! How about that!? Hahaha! You can't win Rooter.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:13 pm    Post subject: [quote]

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Rooter's style of polishing an engine is absurd.
What, exactly, makes it "absurd" to make a tech demo to attract artists and level designers? The only thing wrong about it is that he's releasing a game with proprietary graphics, characters, etc. - a pretty bad error, but that has nothing to do with the way he's making a tech demo to get team members.

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But the fact remains that porting a game for the coding challenge alone is unacceptable
No. What kind of retarded claim is that? If he does it purely for the coding challenge and doesn't distribute the game (or gets permission to distribute it), then there is nothing wrong with it.

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If you decide you would rather focus on programming, and then gather a team to support you by displaying your technical abilities and dedication in a port of something like Chrono Trigger you better watch out, cause if a programmer can't also do art he's a worthless piece of crap.
I take it John Carmack is a "worthless piece of crap", then? You just made yourself look like a total moron. Have you ever heard of the little thing called "teamwork"? Don't you think there is a reason why so many people are involved in making a game?

After I had read the first sentence of your post, I was inclined to support you. After that, you proceeded to make yourself look like the asshole here, not Rooter. In my opinion, morons who pull statements like "if a programmer can't also do art he's a worthless piece of crap" out of their asses to degrade other people (even if Rooter clearly deserved a bashing) - statements that are so retarded they would make anyone who knew the least about game development chuckle.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:26 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Valderman: I wouldn't take the guest post to serious if we had the ip addres it was posted from I would guess it's not to far from Rooter.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:30 pm    Post subject: [quote]

DrunkenCoder wrote:
Valderman: I wouldn't take the guest post to serious if we had the ip addres it was posted from I would guess it's not to far from Rooter.
I figured as much about 30 seconds after posting, but I'll let it remain, since it would be a shame to waste so much irritation and then remove the post. >_<
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:40 pm    Post subject: [quote]

That entire block of tripe is a pretty valid argument for abolishing anonymous posts :)

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Rooter
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:30 pm    Post subject: [quote]

It wasn't posted by me, though =P Thought I have to say it was a wonderfully sarcastic post and obviously written by a God.
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Mandrake
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:49 pm    Post subject: [quote]

If god was retarded, maybe. Yes, sure Rooter, you didn't psot that (an IP check came up positive, the EXACT same IP as his other posts....i love bieng a mod), and I agree- we should think about banning guest-posting or anomouse posting. if it was still my site, etc, I would, but it's Bjorn's now, and it's up to him. Which is for the better since he is not in the middle of this arguement, and I know my emotions would get in the way of clearer thinking.

and rooter- thank you for attacking my spelling. I always notice that the people I piss off who are out of locical arguements always seem to attack my spelling first and foremost. But here is the fact, plan and simple- this is a forum. I post here regularly (mainly because I feel some crazy ass sort of connection to the community- wild enough idea sa it is), and If I spell checked every single post I would never get anything done. Sure that may sound good when I'm flaming you, but whatever.

Either way, I don't claim crap. I've been here for a long time, since the board and site's inception and before it. I've been part of the 'ole RPG gaming/coding community since back when Chrono Trigger first came out the snes. I've got more credentials than that, but let me just say- you don't earn respect on the net overnight.

either way, your anonomous post was so childish and stupid, I would've thought it were actually funny if I had part of my brain removed and was 15 years younger. Valderman- I agree with you 100%.

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read this:
http://rpgdx.net/about.php
scroll down to the part labelled 'history'. Now, before you attack someone's credentials, at least try and see wether or not you are going to make an ass out of yrself first.
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Rooter
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:57 pm    Post subject: [quote]

You're a moron. I didn't make the post, it was the other guy I'm working with and I guarantee the IP was EXACTLY the same. The last part of the IP was undoubtably different as we use the same cable provider and live a mile apart. Way to make an ass out of yourself, Man Drake. He made the post on his own without my knowledge, as I said a page back I wanted to let it rest so shut the fuck up with your elitist attitude for 5 seconds.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:15 pm    Post subject: [quote]

No, actually, I won't. and on an IP search, only your address and ONLY your address (IP wise) came up. Close enough to be conisdered an exact match.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooh!
you spelled my name Man Drake! How creative and insulting? I think?

I am an elitist ass. Which is why i'm so much fun to be around. Bend over and I'll pull a rabbit out of your ass.
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Rooter
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:23 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Jesus fucking Christ you're an idiot. I am not the "Guest" that posted at the top of the page. Use the shit swirling around in your skull for two seconds and figure out the obvious. The writing style is nothing like mine and I had no reason to post as a guest because I will tell you right to your face that you are a stupid elitist piece of shit.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:29 pm    Post subject: [quote]

hey look everybody! The pot just called the kettle black!

heh, pissing you off is so much fun. Hell, it' more fun then Dunric and Mr Frosty combined. yeah, you wrote it. You just disguised your brillian 'writing style'.

Writing style- on a forum. Heh. You act like your posts here are like Finnigan's Wake or something. You make me laugh. In a 'boy, what a silly little monkey...dance monkey! dance', kind of way.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:36 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Truth is you're the one who seems pissed off :) If you honestly believe I would write an anonymous post and not fess up to it then you are a pretty dumb individual. After I've spent the thread attacking you openly under my own name with no problems I would suddenly retreat to an anonymous guest name? Right. Way to use your brain Mandrake!!
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DrunkenCoder
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:47 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Rooter wrote:
If you honestly believe I would write an anonymous post and not fess up to it then you are a pretty dumb individual.


Yeah that would be like almost as dumb as ripping off a big companys IP and expecting that none would react on it.
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Rooter
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:54 pm    Post subject: [quote]

DrunkenCoder wrote:
Rooter wrote:
If you honestly believe I would write an anonymous post and not fess up to it then you are a pretty dumb individual.


Yeah that would be like almost as dumb as ripping off a big companys IP and expecting that none would react on it.
Wow, funny that I never said that. Please retreat back out of this thread.
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Vinyl
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:54 pm    Post subject: [quote]

I own the comments made by the guest poster. I am sorry if this has caused you confusion, Mandrake.

Please allocate some of your precious time in confirming this. That aside, I agree Guest Posting is a bad thing, for you have completely and utterly confused two people with similar IPs, for which i apologize.

I would just like to note that my original message was pure sarcasm, with information I divulged only by looking at "the argument". My intent was not to attack your credentials as you seem to think. Your credentials do not concern me. It is your arrogant attitude that is bothersome, not to mention your tendency to contradict yourself. You wrote "I don't claim crap", and went directly on to making a claim about your standing in the RPG community, not to mention your seniority.

If my comment about your spelling offended you, and if it happens often, maybe its something to work on ;P, but that was just an aside, a little poke to the ribs. Not everyone with proper spelling uses a spellchecker you know.

I did not intend for the post to be funny, just my own interpretation of the events, you need not wish to revert to youth or become a vegetable.

The rest of your posts were too silly to address here, and for what its worth, Rooters posts were hostile and out of line as well, but it was due to your accusation that my Guest Post was his; that is no excuse though. Thanks for your time.
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