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XMark
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:29 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Bjørn wrote:
Heh, RPGDX sleeping... I have a feeling this is said just after it has woken up.


I agree also, there's been a sharp increase of posts lately (well, some of it was flamewars but that's been a constant since the beginning of all web forums)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:03 pm    Post subject: [quote]

One of the big problems that consumed the GDR is that in the realm of RPGs there are a ton of facets to any given project. So, when people first arrive they have a plethora of preconceived notions, and their own personal preferences, and those usually don't mesh well with everyone elses' opinions. Until they learn to take a step back and view discussions from a more holistic standpoint, flamewars and unnecessarily heated exchanges are par for the course.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:54 pm    Post subject: [quote]

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One of the big problems that consumed the GDR [...]


Not to mention Dunric.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:47 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Durnic... heh. Ick. I actually think of the original triumvirate of uselessness: Liquidex, Dunric, and MisterFrosty. Between the three of them, meaningful conversation at the GDR became firmly entrenched in the realm of impossibility. Oh well, that was an exercise in creative (read: total lack of) moderation.

Really, when no one can actually agree on what exactly constitutes an RPG, you know the subject is just a wee bit broad for everyone to play nice all of the time. Having good moderators to catch fires before they start is one thing, having people start intelligent (and postworthy) threads is another.

I just don't think I have anything useful to say these days :(

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Sirocco wrote:
I actually think of the original triumvirate of uselessness: Liquidex, Dunric, and MisterFrosty.


Heh. And out of the uselessness Liquidex goes and writes Game Scripting Mastery.

Maybe he felt guilty for all the nonsense. Heh.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: [quote]

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Heh. And out of the uselessness Liquidex goes and writes Game Scripting Mastery.


Point 1: Worst title EVER.
Point 2: He's as qualified to have written that book at the time as I would have been to offer dissertations on theoretical physics.

At least he can say he finished something :)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:10 am    Post subject: [quote]

i think this conversation is actually somewhat productive, try and tone it back down to noise ok?

i hope to have some good discussions in the coming weeks over some game concept ideas and whatnot on this board. there are enough people here with their heads screwed on tight, or perhaps loose enough, such that the conversation creeps towards usefulness.

other times you just want to waste time, and hence, off topic is great. everyone has their own wants out of a forum, those with the most patience will probably stick around the longest. like me, i'm a total lurker until it becomes interesting.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:00 am    Post subject: [quote]

Happy wrote:
Sirocco wrote:
I actually think of the original triumvirate of uselessness: Liquidex, Dunric, and MisterFrosty.


Heh. And out of the uselessness Liquidex goes and writes Game Scripting Mastery.

Maybe he felt guilty for all the nonsense. Heh.
Maybe this is rude, but I was wondering why that book sucked ass, and now I know. :(
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:24 pm    Post subject: [quote]

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Maybe this is rude, but I was wondering why that book sucked ass, and now I know. :(


Yes, well... proof positive that some people are destined for mediocrity.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:04 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Sirocco wrote:
Yes, well... proof positive that some people are destined for mediocrity


those are always funny, even if i feel a little depressed atm.

i never read this book, apparently its not too impressive huh. anyone want to recap it generally and/or give a general idea about the author?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:16 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Did anyone notice that the most users ever on the forum at the same time was Monday? RPGDX is perhaps more vital than we thought.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:25 pm    Post subject: [quote]

biggerUniverse wrote:
RPGDX is perhaps more vital than we thought.


well.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6847012/... we all did go through the worst day of the year. after the holidays buzz off and you realize its back to life and not la-la land, i begin to look for things to do that make me happier.

meep.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:16 pm    Post subject: [quote]

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i never read this book, apparently its not too impressive huh. anyone want to recap it generally and/or give a general idea about the author?



From Amazon's review base...

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A Poorly Conceived Exercise In Ego Massaging.

Alex Varanese clearly illustrates a lack of, I don't know, talent in the area of writing in this 1200+ page endeavor. I've never endured such meandering around a topic and even derailing from it completely in my life. He'll waste 40 pages to begin to explain something he already explained adequately 3 chapters ago (I refer to his XASM prep chapter 8), and then he goes and does the same thing again in a nearly 250 page chapter 9! What's even more ridiculous is that, in the midst of all his fumbling around to get a point across, he just can't be bothered to put the source IN THE BOOK. Telling us about your childhood experiences with codes to terrorize little girls is fine, but showing us some real source code is just too much of a waste of space, Alex?

I just want to finish by saying that I am a programmer, and a huge fan of Andre LaMothe. I have purchased all of his books, and I fully expected this one to be good, as it was recommended by him. Andre has a witty style of writing that draws you in, but he doesn't drag his butt going over the same detail over and over, he gets it done and SHOWS you the source right there. Alex shows no competence as a writer, and I could not recommend this book to anyone. It's a kludgy, poorly polished example of someone who just can't get the point across without flitting around. My advice is to hope that LaMothe makes his own, chances are it will be 500 pages and be more complete than this leviathan.


I can't say I disagree. I'm a huge fan of programming books in general (although most of LaMothe's have been rather disappointing) , but this is 1200+ pages of bloated waste from a semi-talented hack with absolutely zero technical writing skills. I can respect the fact that he went the distance and finished the book, but quite frankly nothing Liquidex has ever done or said made any positive impact on me.

Harsh but true.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:55 pm    Post subject: [quote]

And yet the irony of this is that Liquidex helped work on Apester's QBRPG site, which in turn led to this site. Odd, eh? Doesn't mean he's ever done anything important, other than polish LaMothe's knob with his tongue. In fact, the only reason why anyone ever remembered him is for a crappy tile engine in QBasic with graphics ripped from Secret of Mana. It was just a tile engine, no game involved, yet at the time people drooled over it because it was purty.

I never saw why Ironblade was friends with him.

Yeah in retrospect Dunric, Liquidex and a slew of others helped destroy GDR, but other things did as well. The moderators had odd ways of moderating things (for example, they banned me once because I was being harassed, rather than banning the harasser's, all because the harasser's were friends with Tsu and FE), and weird ways of trying to uphold the law. Throw in the explosion of Pixilation bringing over complete and utter programming idiots with no idea of what goes into designing a game completely harassing the people at the GDR and being complete morons (almost sabotaging the board) and you have a recipe for disaster.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:18 pm    Post subject: [quote]

My memory of GDR is a little fuzzy, seeing as I'm younger of most of the GDR veterans, but I seem to recall that you were banned because you said something to the effect that you didn't like GDR anymore. I think Tsu's response was something along the lines of; Fine, if you don't want to post here, don't post here about not wanting to post here - it's supposed to be a game dev forum!

Though this was quite a long time ago, so I could be way off. Heh. I do recall you making some very interesting posts in an off-topic religious discussion though...
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