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Joakim
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:58 pm    Post subject: [quote]

I am sorry to continiue this little war that seems to be waged in this thread, but as I was insulted in this thread, maybe even uncalled for, I think I have the right to ask why. I will try not to insult anybody back, so it would be possible to continiue a sensible discussion after this. If I had been attacked via PM, I would have replied via PM, but that is not fulfilling when attacked in public. So here it goes exploreRPG:

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You all, seem to like to brag.. I personally would like to produce a quality game. While you all script forever to make your game..I'll be working on this..

When exactly did I brag? When I stated that an expression evaluator isn't too hard?
And btw, while you are programming in C++ forever to make your game, we will be using the shortcuts that a scripting language provide to finish out projects in no time.
There sure seems to be at least one person in this thread that likes to brag, but I don't think that's me. Who is it then? Try rereading the thread and you'll see. It might not be a pleasant surprise...

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Joakim, Why do you even post? LOL

I was merely trying to comment on your project. If you didn't want comments, why did you post your project here in the first place? I would have offered to help, but obviously you don't want it.

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* I would prefer it if my scripting language is secure against malicious scripts.

All the more reason to create your own script language.

So that is why you prefer DLL's which can do virtually anything to a computer over a controlled scripting language environment?

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There seems to be a bunch of programmers in here who "think they are gods gift to a compiler."

Like you are gods gift to engine design and so called "real features"?

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Debating about syntax, brackets and parse methods is silly, and petty. The point is, it works.. And thats all I'm concerned about.

I think you missed the point of a scripting language. But it's up to you, I was just giving you a few suggestions.

If you have any insults in store for me, there's a neat little PM system for that. No reason to fill this thread up with it.

I think there is great potential in your engine (maybe not as much as you do though), and I never put the whole thing down. Any projects has it's shortcomings, and I was pointing out where I though yours was.

I really don't see why you try to generate enemies in a post that is obviously ment to promote your project...
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exploreRPG
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Joined: 21 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:40 pm    Post subject: [quote]

I'll ignore the immature comments and get to the point..

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I think you missed the point of a scripting language. But it's up to you, I was just giving you a few suggestions.


You didn't offer me ANY suggestions... You insulted my design and you stated..

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I wasn't really dissing your scripting language, just explaining my own design decision. I expect to use some fairly complex scripts for npc conversations.


I personally didn't ask.. And there is nothing wrong with your design. I was just posting screenshots.. I don't like talking about software design because each programmer has their own unique way of programming. But just because we differ doesn't mean your way is better. (Which is why I don't like to talk about design.)

Saying that.. Lets get to the meat of this.. The final product... Lets see some screenshots of this project of yours..

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I think there is great potential in your engine (maybe not as much as you do though), and I never put the whole thing down. Any projects has it's shortcomings, and I was pointing out where I though yours was.

I really don't see why you try to generate enemies in a post that is obviously ment to promote your project...


How can I generate enemies that I don't know? I don't know you.. I didn't post to or about you.. I posted screenshots.. Thats all.. Please go back and read the entire thread.

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Like you are gods gift to engine design and so called "real features"?


Don't be confused.. I'm not attacking anyones design.. (I don't KNOW anyone's design.) - I'M DEFENDING MY OWN DESIGN. Which, I shouldn't have to because this is a SCREENSHOT FORUM, not a programming FORUM. I shouldn't have to talk about anything programming, but YOU and OTHERS went off topic.

Boy... what next?
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LeoDraco
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:39 pm    Post subject: [quote]

exploreRPG wrote:
Which, I shouldn't have to because this is a SCREENSHOT FORUM, not a programming FORUM. I shouldn't have to talk about anything programming, but YOU and OTHERS went off topic.


Actually, if you look carefully, it's a "Projects / Screenshots" forum. You know: "Projects" first. Which, incidentally, could include design and / or programming that relates to a given project, at the thread author's discretion. As the following quote from the forum list page suggests, "[t]his is the place to post about your project updates, and discuss existing projects. This is also the place to show screenshots and the like." The whole screenshots thing is sort of tacked on, as this forum is the only place where it really is applicable.
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Joakim
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:58 am    Post subject: [quote]

I don't see how my comments are any more childish or immature than the comments of yours I was qouting. And you didn't see me attack you with personal stuff like this before you got so aggressive yourself. If you don't want to listen to comments, that's just fine. But it is in general a good thing to at least consider it, and not attack the people who are trying to help you (you think spent time posting so that I could increase my post count or something? I wanted to help out.)

I suggested that you implemented an expression evaluater to make the scripting lanuage more intuitive and easy to use. This is, in fact, a suggestion.

You can generate enemies by insulting them. It doesn't matter if you know them. Saying somebody (even everybody, like you did) is bragging, is an insult, don't you agree?

I never stated that I had any projects going. I do though, I'm making an online game in php as a job, so I guess I'm a proffessional too. Hurray, that makes me a better programmer, right? I can't post screenshots from it, because the concept is to be kept a secret until the release in December, but frankly, it wouldn't tell much anyways, as it's not about graphics.

Other than that, I have recently been working on a generic scripting language with basic syntax, which doesn't make much sense to post a screenshot from either (but you don't really care, you ask but doesn't really want to know, isn't that true).

If you actually want to see the syntax, you can PM me, and so can anybody else, or ask me to start a seperate thread. I am not posting here to promote my own projects.

Besides, I have found a scripting language that is very promising, and pretty much what i wanted to do myself, called GameMonkey, so I will most likely be using that in the future.

You're right, defending your design, as you call it, is actually a help to others, so that they might see why it could be done the way you're doing it. Of course you don't have to defend it if you don't care about that. Simply state that you don't want to discuss it.

And, as LeoDraco stated, we didn't go off topic. You didn't state that you didn't want comments, and this forum is for discussing projects.
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exploreRPG
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Joined: 21 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:22 pm    Post subject: [quote]

To : Leo Draco

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Actually, if you look carefully, it's a "Projects / Screenshots" forum. You know: "Projects" first. Which, incidentally, could include design and / or programming that relates to a given project, at the thread author's discretion. As the following quote from the forum list page suggests, "[t]his is the place to post about your project updates, and discuss existing projects. This is also the place to show screenshots and the like." The whole screenshots thing is sort of tacked on, as this forum is the only place where it really is applicable.


If you read my 2nd response... Probably the 4th or 5th in this thread you would see my philosophy on development discussion like this.. Here, lemme get the quote since, you obviously didn't read this thread..

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Did you look at my Home Page?

Behind the scenes? - Programming..

I really don't want to have a discussion about engine design or software development. It usually just starts flame wars between Kevin & myself.



Many people design software for a different TARGET user. Explorations has a specific target, which are currently paying for the software. If you are a developer, who is expecting me to change my design to suit a programmers needs, you are wasting your time.

I have a commitment to the end user to continue supporting the current design. Your ideas DO NOT fit into the software development plan for Explorations. It doesn't mean your ideas aren't good, just inappropriate for my design. But more clearly, it doesn't me my scripting, design, database support, dependancy and interoperability are BAD ideas.

The one thing that is missing with all the indie-projects on this site is respect for others ideas. You DON'T see me posting in H-World thread flaming his ideas. IN FACT!

I posted 1 comment and it was deleted. The comment was:

"Very impressive.. Very impressive indeed" - Bjorn deleted it because I posted my screenshots and he interpreted it as an "insult." -How mature is that?

I am a professional Lead Developer. I have 3 programmers working under me with different degrees of skill. One person is a Java wiz, the other VB, and finally my C/C++ guy. When the C/C++ guy stumbles a little in VB syntax, I don't "flame" him I encourage him to do better. As a Lead, I have to keep the TEAM together, not inspire jealousy between programmers. I support ALL efforts in software development. Each project on this site represents a seperate TEAM.. I am *NOT* jealous of your project. I don't know anything about them. The first 2 pages of this thread was an offer to brainstorm about sharing resources between Explorations & H-World. (just talk right now) - So there is no need to attack my design. You don't really *KNOW* anything about the design.

HWorld has really cool lighting effects. I don't.. He has isometric which is always better than 2d console graphics. So I wanted to give him some positive encouragement. Funny how my "nice" words are deleted and Bjorn has yet to correct any of the flames this thread has atracted

Also known as - Non-existent management. A Biased Moderator.

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I don't see how my comments are any more childish or immature than the comments of yours I was qouting. And you didn't see me attack you with personal stuff like this before you got so aggressive yourself. If you don't want to listen to comments, that's just fine. But it is in general a good thing to at least consider it, and not attack the people who are trying to help you (you think spent time posting so that I could increase my post count or something? I wanted to help out.)

I suggested that you implemented an expression evaluater to make the scripting lanuage more intuitive and easy to use. This is, in fact, a suggestion.


You really can't help me if you are not a customer. I have to obey my customer's wishes at this point. This projects is released, selling and I'm committed to a design. Adding an equation parser is a minor feature that is on a much lower priority than this image recognition routine I'm working on. ;) (and a faster custom compression algorithm)

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I never stated that I had any projects going. I do though, I'm making an online game in php as a job, so I guess I'm a proffessional too. Hurray, that makes me a better programmer, right? I can't post screenshots from it, because the concept is to be kept a secret until the release in December, but frankly, it wouldn't tell much anyways, as it's not about graphics.


No.. you are a professional developer when you are employed to develop software. I am a Lead Developer, and I'm employed to do so. Explorations is my 1st solo commercial project.

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You're right, defending your design, as you call it, is actually a help to others, so that they might see why it could be done the way you're doing it. Of course you don't have to defend it if you don't care about that. Simply state that you don't want to discuss it.


I did... but if you don't read the thread it gets ignored.. When I return to this thread there were 5-10 responses all talking about my script language like it was mean to be a programming language.. I thought that behavior was silly considering I stated I didn't want to discuss my design. So I defended my design.

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And, as LeoDraco stated, we didn't go off topic. You didn't state that you didn't want comments, and this forum is for discussing projects.


You didn't read the thread.. Its on the first page..

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Joakim
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:43 pm    Post subject: [quote]

You're right, my bad. I overlooked that (there is a LOT of text in this thread heh).

Anyways, I didn't mean any offence in the first place, but when you insulted me (by saying I was bragging in reply to my post), I naturally got pissed.

I don't hold anger long though, and it's pretty obvious that continiuing this little war won't do any good, so now I'm gonna leave this topic (I will check back, but probably not post again).

I wish you all best of luck with your projects, and believe me, it wasn't my plan to diss any of them.
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Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:45 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Those screenshots look like shit.
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Bjorn
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:13 pm    Post subject: [quote]

exploreRPG wrote:
"Very impressive.. Very impressive indeed" - Bjørn deleted it because I posted my screenshots and he interpreted it as an "insult." -How mature is that?

How mature is accepting my apology, not caring to repost it, and then coming back about it weeks later, questioning my maturity? Also, I never interpreted your comment as an insult, rather as inappropriate, which is was, had the screenshot in your sig indeed been part of your message!

Edit: Thread locked for reference, as requested, instead of plainly removing it. See topic about aggrevating me in general discussion.
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