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tcaudilllg Dragonmaster
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:58 pm Post subject: Black holes... and geniuses like LeoDraco |
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Is there a man alive who is interested in physics, that has not wondered how energy changes into matter, and matter into energy? Einstein's theory demonstrates that it happens, without explaining how. I have an answer, at last.
The answer is that the transformation only takes place inside a black hole. If you examine the path of an object in a vortex, it travels in the direction of the vortex's spin toward the force that drives the vortex. When it gets to the center, it stops traveling and experiences no further pressure, because the pressure is equal from all sides. It has met the origin of the vortex, and is itself a factor in the vortex's strength.
Now what if the example of a vortex were applied to centripetal forces of all kinds? What if it were applied to the phenomena of event horizons?
Let's say that an object enters a black hole. As it moves toward the center of the black hole, wherefrom the hole's gravity draws out into space, it is broken down into its component energies and particles in the form of photons, neutrons, protons, and electrons. At these we will assume that the breakdown ceases, because the Standard Model of quantum mechanics postulates thus. We have then the reality that the particles each take up space, and that the black hole has a definite center. We know that at the center there will be no movement whatsoever, even for light.
What happens when another particle strikes this particle at the center, itself without inertia, no energy of any kind, this void particle? The energy of the incoming particle strikes the particle in the center with all of its velocity, and bestows its velocity to it. If the incoming particle is a photon, the centermost particle in the black hole will become a photon, a particle of energy. If it is not a photon, the innermost particle will become a material particle with speed less than that of light.
The newly energized particle leaves the black hole via the path of least resistance. We know that the black hole attracts objects equilaterally, from all directions. Therefore, particles are approaching the center of the black hole from two quadrispheres of the event horizon, not all four, because the outgoing particles, we understand, must have an escape route. Therefore incoming material approaches from two directions, and outgoing material leaves from two directions, because the incoming material and the outgoing material square each the other into respective quadrispheres of the event horizon. Radiation-sensitive telescopes have detected jets flowing from the center of black holes in two directions, precisely inline with the model we have just discussed.
With this understanding we have uncovered a fundamental truth of the cosmos, with which we can evaluate all other truths in light of it. First, let us turn to the problem of "genius", the trait of having both conscious judgement and perception in one individual's personality. One beleives at first that the two must cancel out, and that the individual must not be conscious of meaning at all, because he or she has neither judgement nor perception. The problem of the black hole sheds light on this problem, too, if we see the action of the genius as one of transformation, perception e.g. energy into judgement e.g. matter, in accordance with the mechanics of the black hole. Although it is altogether difficult to explain the mind as a black hole, because we do not yet know the atom of information, we can postulate the existence of an energy interchange in the mind of a genius, and point to the ability of a genius to derive a system from knowledge, and to derive knowledge from a system, as evidence that the mind of a genius is like unto a black hole, and too, draw upon the innate sense of destiny common to all geniuses as evidence that the nature of the next information to come in reflects the nature of the next information to appear. There does seem to be a very solid case that genius is the attribute of cross judgement/perception.
I'd like to know what the rest of you think.
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XMark Guitar playin' black mage
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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I assume you would be talking about the transformation from energy to matter, since the matter to energy transformation happens all the time, for example any time you burn something.
Certainly it's harder to convert energy to matter, but it does happen in particle accelerators (of course, only miniscule amounts of matter are created, because so much energy is required.) Even anti-matter has been created in particle accelerators, but of course it didn't last very long.
I fail to see the connection you're trying to draw between black holes and genius. It all seems to be pretty far-fetched. And generally I don't agree with any theories that romanticize black holes as some kind of magical thing that holds the secrets of the universe or whatever. A black hole is a big heavy dense thing that sucks other stuff into it and squooshes it. End of story.
Also, you're talking about particles leaving the black hole, though earlier you established that nothing escapes the black hole.
Quote: | Let's say that an object enters a black hole. As it moves toward the center of the black hole, wherefrom the hole's gravity draws out into space, it is broken down into its component energies and particles in the form of photons, neutrons, protons, and electrons. At these we will assume that the breakdown ceases, because the Standard Model of quantum mechanics postulates thus. |
Hehe, you used the word "wherefrom"
Quote: | We know that the black hole attracts objects equilaterally, from all directions. Therefore, particles are approaching the center of the black hole from two quadrispheres of the event horizon, not all four, because the outgoing particles, we understand, must have an escape route. |
Why do the particles have to have an escape route, other than to satisfy the conditions of your theory? That's like saying 3 + 2 = 6 because 1 + 2 must equal 4.
Quote: | With this understanding we have uncovered a fundamental truth of the cosmos, with which we can evaluate all other truths in light of it... etc etc etc ...There does seem to be a very solid case that genius is the attribute of cross judgement/perception. |
I guess I could accept this theory as a subjective observation on the way the mind works, but as a scientific theory it really doesn't have any substance, because of the many different assumptions made. _________________ Mark Hall
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Mandrake elementry school minded asshole
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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erm- LeoDraco? A what? Sorry. Don't think so. Being semi-literate does not make you Descartes. _________________ "Well, last time I flicked on a lighter, I'm pretty sure I didn't create a black hole."-
Xmark
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LeoDraco Demon Hunter
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Mandrake wrote: | erm- LeoDraco? A what? Sorry. Don't think so. Being semi-literate does not make you Descartes. |
Thank you Mr. I-Cannot-Spell-For-Shit-Most-of-The-Time. _________________ "...LeoDraco is a pompus git..." -- Mandrake
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Mandrake elementry school minded asshole
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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And how does that make you a genuis? My lack of spelling does not all of sudden validate your supreme intellect.
Why don't you crawl out of your egomaniacal psudeo intellectual hole and join the rest of us in the human race. Or, maybe you can just stay down there and let insecure twerps worhip you and write essays on your greatness and blackholes. _________________ "Well, last time I flicked on a lighter, I'm pretty sure I didn't create a black hole."-
Xmark
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LeoDraco Demon Hunter
Joined: 24 Jun 2003 Posts: 584 Location: Riverside, South Cali
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Mandrake wrote: | And how does that make you a genuis? My lack of spelling does not all of sudden validate your supreme intellect. |
It doesn't. However, my point was that you, yourself, are hardly "semi-literate". How the fuck are you supposed to judge "genius", when you are barely above moderate intelligence?
Quote: | Why don't you crawl out of your egomaniacal psudeo intellectual hole and join the rest of us in the human race. Or, maybe you can just stay down there and let insecure twerps worhip you and write essays on your greatness and blackholes. |
I neither affirm nor deny the label that was thrust on me by Galbalan. It was not until you attacked my own intelligence that I entered this thread. Personally, I think Galbalan's little essay is trite, boring, and unfactual. (And that, it should be noted, does not make me a "genius", either! It would have been nice for Galbalan to actually cite some sort of peer-reviewed paper from an actual scientific journal, rather than just make grandiose, unsupported claims.)
Not once on these forums have I ever touted myself as some supreme intellect; I would be the first to admit that I am hardly a genius. While I might utilize the English Language properly --- gasp! That must be a hard concept for you to wrap your head around; there are such things as on-line dictionaries, Mandrake! --- (or, at the very least, mostly properly) I never exhibit pedantry, or, even if I do, it is never to the level of Galbalan.
Why don't you get off your fucking high horse --- "low horse"? You seem to have thrown yourself into the lot of the other nonintellectuals --- and stop attacking people you only know through Internet forums. What evidence do you have to label me "semi-literate", or to even assume that I'm not a genius? (And please, dear God, do not misinterpret that last clause.) _________________ "...LeoDraco is a pompus git..." -- Mandrake
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Mandrake elementry school minded asshole
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | It doesn't. However, my point was that you, yourself, are hardly "semi-literate". How the fuck are you supposed to judge "genius", when you are barely above moderate intelligence? |
I'm actually very literate. My ability to read is impecable. My spelling is flawed, for certain, but my "literateness" does not negate my ability to discern wether or not somebody is of such high IQ to be called a genuis.
Quote: | and stop attacking people you only know through Internet forums |
I attack people I know in real life to. I'm an ass. Get used to it. _________________ "Well, last time I flicked on a lighter, I'm pretty sure I didn't create a black hole."-
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Happy JonA's American snack pack
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:06 am Post subject: |
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I'd like to state for the record that I am a genius, regardless of how megalomaniacal I may seem.
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tcaudilllg Dragonmaster
Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Posts: 1731 Location: Cedar Bluff, VA
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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While we're on the subject, I anticipate that if LeoDraco were to take a qualified IQ test, he would score 168, the same level as Einstein.
The only reason I am asserting that LeoDraco is a genius, is because his prose closely resembles that of Einstein's own, and even at his comparatively young age he is expressing interest in advanced geometry. What I mean to point out, is that no one surpasses him intellectually. He must meet the criterion for the genius "label" by default.
Thank you for calling me an insecure twerp, Mandrake. I could say the same about you.
I think you should--all of you--re-evaluate my hypothesis about black holes for yourselves, from an imaginative perspective like I did in the contrivance of it. I drew the conclusion that genius is a function similar to black holes on the basis that black holes themselves represent a fundamental underlying principle of the universe that has not yet been officially recognized.
I have no confidence in the scientific establishment to solve the present crisis in physics. They've been at it for half a century, and yeilded NOTHING of ANY use. So forgive me if I am unable to produce an article from a scientific journal that supports a hypothesis that would be barred from such journals by their prejudiced staffing.
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tcaudilllg Dragonmaster
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Happy wrote: | I'd like to state for the record that I am a genius, regardless of how megalomaniacal I may seem. |
You don't seem megalomaniacal... insane, but not megalomaniacal.
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tcaudilllg Dragonmaster
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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XMark wrote: | I assume you would be talking about the transformation from energy to matter, since the matter to energy transformation happens all the time, for example any time you burn something. |
Now, I see where you are coming from. I'm drawing a distinction between energy as pure action, and matter as congealed energy, ie "substance". I see a photon as something that, you simply get repelled by. I see matter as something that obeys Newton's laws, even at the particle level. What I'm asking is, what releases congealed energy? What "decongeals" it? No one knows. But if it happens in a black hole, and the principle holds good across all systems that obey the black hole premise, then perhaps there are "blackhole"-like systems everywhere, and only through these 3D vortices does energy interchange. That's what I'm suggesting, and that's what I really can't find grounds to dispute. It seems obvious to me, now that I have perceived it.
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tcaudilllg Dragonmaster
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Mandrake wrote: | erm- LeoDraco? A what? Sorry. Don't think so. Being semi-literate does not make you Descartes. |
Um I hate to say this, but I doubt Descartes was a genius. An INTJ like myself, maybe. (he did figure the 2D plane when he saw a fly on the wall) Or maybe an INTP. But not an INTX cross-type, nor any judging-perceiving cross type.
But you know, actually he could have been Feynmann's type... whatever that was. I'm not yet sure....
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Mandrake elementry school minded asshole
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:08 am Post subject: |
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You are an idiot.
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Um I hate to say this, but I doubt Descartes was a genius. An INTJ like myself, maybe. (he did figure the 2D plane when he saw a fly on the wall) Or maybe an INTP. But not an INTX cross-type, nor any judging-perceiving cross type.
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You know nothing of Descarte then. His concept revolutionized the way math works. He took two prev unconnected instances of math (algebra and geometry) and made them connect. Without his advances, well...math as we know it would be enitirely different. And, he was also a very profound philosopher.
You have no idea what so ever about anything. You seem to do a basic glancing study of something, draw insane conclusions and then not delve into it any deeper. That's a terrible sign of psudeo intellectualism, someone who only cares to understand only so far, and wishes too hard to have great ideas themselves.
On a side note, I doubt that the IQ score of Einstien made him a genuis. If so, me and my wife are almost as smart as he is (I'm off by 10 and my wife is off by 5), and so far we've made great contributions to society. _________________ "Well, last time I flicked on a lighter, I'm pretty sure I didn't create a black hole."-
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XMark Guitar playin' black mage
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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LordGalbalan wrote: | But if it happens in a black hole, and the principle holds good across all systems that obey the black hole premise, then perhaps there are "blackhole"-like systems everywhere, and only through these 3D vortices does energy interchange. That's what I'm suggesting, and that's what I really can't find grounds to dispute. It seems obvious to me, now that I have perceived it. |
Well, last time I flicked on a lighter, I'm pretty sure I didn't create a black hole. _________________ Mark Hall
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biggerUniverse Mage
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Um I hate to say this, but I doubt Descartes was a genius. An INTJ like myself, maybe. (he did figure the 2D plane when he saw a fly on the wall) Or maybe an INTP. But not an INTX cross-type, nor any judging-perceiving cross type.
But you know, actually he could have been Feynmann's type... whatever that was. I'm not yet sure.... |
By "genius" you seem to mean "like what you expected a genius to be". This is the thought pattern of an expert. Experts are always wrong, and I should know. I'm an expert.
You can say whatever about psychology, but this is the truth about genius:
Quote: | Person clever enough to be born in the right place at the right
time of the right sex and to follow up this advantage by saying
all the right things to all the right people. |
_________________ We are on the outer reaches of someone else's universe.
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