[Nodtveidt]

And the plural of datum is not proof.

So there.
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If you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic voices. The scary part is that if you play it forwards it installs Windows. - wallace

[LeoDraco]

Data can lead to theories, and are much more testable, and repeatable, than anecdotes are. If you are going to make a claim about something, at least be willing to be scientific about it. (Which, by way of a disclaimer, I am fully willing to be.)
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[Nodtveidt]

The basis of the scientific method is evidence and testing, is it not? Well, I have both evidence and tests that support my claims, and others do as well, including others in this thread. I don't know what other kind of scientific evidence you'd need. But it's not like I really have to prove anything to you in the first place...your opinion and/or experience isn't going to change the fact that my experience is the way it is.
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If you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic voices. The scary part is that if you play it forwards it installs Windows. - wallace

[LeoDraco]

[Nodtveidt]

Then show me a performant dotnet-based application that serves a real-world purpose for the common user. Your condescending bullshit about "whining about perceived slowness" is garbage. Furthermore, these tests you speak of are meaningless when it comes down to the individual user...no one gives three shits that such and such program runs correctly on X computer...they only care if it runs correctly on THEIR OWN computer. It seems that the general consensus here is that dotnet applications are slow on the machines they have run on, and these are the individual users' computers. If it runs fast on yours, then more power to you, but none of us have your computer. Therefore, your experience is just as valid as anyone who has experience contrary to your own, whether you like it or not.

The fact that the GUI elements render slowly on many dotnet-based applications I have run is substantial evidence of its lack of performance. Of all the basic functions of an application, the visual frontend is the FIRST thing that should perform well.
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If you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic voices. The scary part is that if you play it forwards it installs Windows. - wallace

[LeoDraco]

[Nodtveidt]

Then I guess we're both without evidence, eh? You can't show your work off, and I doubt you'd be willing to install all the programs I've tried out. Frankly, I'm not even willing to reinstall all the junk I've previously installed, the installers are slow enough. And like I said, I only have a single dotnet-based program that I really have to use, the rest were either "upgraded" versions of apps I had been using for ages beforehand (hence a seriously noticeable performance difference), or any kind of new software I wanted to check out...a couple of IDEs (one was noted by its developers to require a 1GHz computer just to run...wtf is that about?), a 3D modeller, a handful of games, and various "professional" utilities, including an expensive notation plotter ('twas a demo version, I sure wasn't going to pay its hellish price, especially with how turtlish it ran).

When I say "general consensus", I'm not talking about group-think. I love how you twist things around to support your arguments. When several people with similar experiences share said experiences, you consider them to have herd mentality? Wtf?

I do, however, find it humorous that you keep citing the word "anecdote", as if everyone's experience is invalid and no one but you has the "true answer" just because you do this professionally. Is it zealousy? Furthermore, isn't your own experience also anecdotal? Is the pot calling the kettle black?

Arguing with you is fruitless, as always. Nothing penetrates that stubbornness of yours, not even logic and experience.
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If you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic voices. The scary part is that if you play it forwards it installs Windows. - wallace

[LeoDraco]

[Rainer Deyke]

Example of an .net game: Land of Legends. Nice (if not particularly ambitious) turn-based strategy game. Not quite the fastest game ever, but I'm willing to blame that on the actual computational complexity of the AI. The user interface at least is responsive on my computer.

While this says nothing about the performance penalties of .net, it does suggest that .net is fast and responsive enough for small, unambitious games. Then again, so is Python, and Python is at least 10 times slower than C++.

[Nodtveidt]

[LeoDraco]

[DeveloperX]

[Terry]

[Rainer Deyke]

[LeoDraco]