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BadMrBox
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 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:29 pm Post subject: just checking out my new avatar... |
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...and it seems to be a bit big... maybe I should have it scaled down a bit...
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Terry
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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wierd... why do programmers all seem to go for the same look? I pretty much look like that too, without the beard.
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biggerUniverse
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Madman. beard. 'nough said.
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LeoDraco
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| Chaotic Harmony wrote: | | wierd... why do programmers all seem to go for the same look? I pretty much look like that too, without the beard. |
The Jargon File has an interesting theory on that. Under A Portrait of J. Random Hacker, it says:
| Quote: | | An important point: Except in some relatively minor respects such as slang vocabulary, hackers don't get to be the way they are by imitating each other. Rather, it seems to be the case that the combination of personality traits that makes a hacker so conditions one's outlook on life that one tends to end up being like other hackers whether one wants to or not (much as bizarrely detailed similarities in behavior and preferences are found in genetic twins raised separately). |
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Hajo
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:43 am Post subject: |
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My environment doesn't tolerate long hair. Otherwise I'd look similar, too.
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Bjorn
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Interesting quote LeoDraco.
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biggerUniverse
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'm counterculture to that counterculture.
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Ninkazu
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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I look the way I do because I'm a metalhead - not because EyE 4m 1337 h4x0r.
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LeoDraco
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Ninkazu wrote: | | I look the way I do because I'm a metalhead - not because EyE 4m 1337 h4x0r. |
You sir, are obviously not. If you knew anything about hacker culture, let alone the actual jargon-defintion of hacker, you would know that what you just did was succumb to media bias; in point of fact, you were imitating one of a series of sub-cultures that those in hackerdom detest.
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Mandrake
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hackers in any definition are over-rated. Most are terrible artists at best who have somehow fallen into computer stardom someway or another. After reading Steven Levy's book, I am far from being impressed by them. It's all just a pathetic little fame-game played open source tools. I'm sick of fanbois no matter what colour you paint them, and anyone that talks about Hackers as they exist in the Jargon file are just fanbois.
Take Paul Graham for instance, a *hacker* of all counts, someone who was part of the *gasp* Xerox PARC project. Fame and Genius abound! And yet, after reading his diatribes I can't see anything special about an old fart who honestly thinks Lisp is interesting enough to gain any credit what so ever, and someone who thinks Python is actually worth programming in only because in his mind, it looks like Lisp. Yeah, like there is any valid reason to program in Python.
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LeoDraco
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Mandrake wrote: | Hackers in any definition are over-rated. Most are terrible artists at best who have somehow fallen into computer stardom someway or another. After reading Steven Levy's book, I am far from being impressed by them. It's all just a pathetic little fame-game played open source tools. I'm sick of fanbois no matter what colour you paint them, and anyone that talks about Hackers as they exist in the Jargon file are just fanbois.
Take Paul Graham for instance, a *hacker* of all counts, someone who was part of the *gasp* Xerox PARC project. Fame and Genius abound! And yet, after reading his diatribes I can't see anything special about an old fart who honestly thinks Lisp is interesting enough to gain any credit what so ever, and someone who thinks Python is actually worth programming in only because in his mind, it looks like Lisp. Yeah, like there is any valid reason to program in Python. |
Mandrake, after reading your diatribes, I honestly feel like vomiting from the headaches induced by your horrible grammar and spelling.
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Mandrake
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Nobody has put a gun to your head and forced you to read them.
And besides, if you hadn't noticed both my grammar and spelling have improved lately. Leave it to you to change the topic and attack something unrelated (like my grammar and spelling) rather than poking holes into my actual statement. Trying to discredit me by pointing out flaws in something completely unrelated is something that politicians usually stoop too.
I see nothing special about Hackers. They are just religious figures for a community of sheep who wish to follow in their footsteps and hope to maybe someday *gosh and golly gee* gain the following that they do. These people are just script kiddies. Take for example Paul Graham bragging about Bittorrent being originally coded in Python. The original Bittorrent program is terrible- the real gift is not in the awful code and slow execution, but instead in designing a standard for swarm computing and taking advantage of it. A proof of concept that caught on and then actually spawned some decent programs is not a way to brag about a language.
Hackers be damned. I see nothing special, nothing important, nay, nothing worth noting about these unwashed logic gods that the opiate induced programming masses have come to adore.
ps- fanbois is correct, in case you are wondering.
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LeoDraco
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Mandrake wrote: | | Nobody has put a gun to your head and forced you to read them. |
No, nobody has. And usually I do not. Mostly because of the above reason.
| Quote: | | And besides, if you hadn't noticed both my grammar and spelling have improved lately. |
Nope, hadn't noticed.
| Quote: | | Leave it to you to change the topic and attack something unrelated (like my grammar and spelling) |
You were griping about hacker writing; I fail to see how griping about your writing is off-topic.
| Quote: | | rather than poking holes into my actual statement. Trying to discredit me by pointing out flaws in something completely unrelated is something that politicians usually stoop too. |
Mandrake, sweetheart, I couldn't even understand your post, as, by and large, it wasn't English. The current post I am now picking apart falls more within the boundaries of the written word. See the difference?
| Quote: | | I see nothing special about Hackers. They are just religious figures for a community of sheep who wish to follow in their footsteps and hope to maybe someday *gosh and golly gee* gain the following that they do. |
I see nothing special about pseudo-intellects who think they are God's own gift to a rather small sub-culture.
| Quote: | | These people are just script kiddies. |
And you are not?
| Quote: | | Hackers be damned. I see nothing special, nothing important, nay, nothing worth noting about these unwashed logic gods that the opiate induced programming masses have come to adore. |
Sounds like a little angst at not being accepted into the fold.
| Quote: | | ps- fanbois is correct, in case you are wondering. |
That wasn't what I was nitpicking about.
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Mandrake
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. Not really angsty about not being in the center of the fold, just sick of people hyping things up. I guess I'm one of those people the first buy the hype, take the hype in, and then realize that it's just hype. After that I get mad for being bamboozled in the first place. It happened to me with Java. With Hackers. With Linux. With Python. Will I ever learn to not fall for the hype in the first place? Probably not, after all I am a very excitable person. That is easily impressed.
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You were griping about hacker writing; I fail to see how griping about your writing is off-topic.
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I am not a Hacker. How does my writing reflect it? If I poke holes into someone else's writing, it doesn't mean I myself am not flawed. It just means I have seen their flaws. This isn't like that terribe pop-philisophy Aesop's Fable about the frog who could heal people. This is real life. And just because I am flawed, doesn't mean I'm any less qualified to see other people's flaws.
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Mandrake, sweetheart, I couldn't even understand your post, as, by and large, it wasn't English. The current post I am now picking apart falls more within the boundaries of the written word. See the difference?
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Not particularly. The prior post was English, and was comprehnsible as such. Just not well-formed.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| LeoDraco wrote: | | Ninkazu wrote: | | I look the way I do because I'm a metalhead - not because EyE 4m 1337 h4x0r. |
You sir, are obviously not. If you knew anything about hacker culture, let alone the actual jargon-defintion of hacker, you would know that what you just did was succumb to media bias; in point of fact, you were imitating one of a series of sub-cultures that those in hackerdom detest. |
Stop taking everything so freakin seriously.
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