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tcaudilllg
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Now that Illuminatii fraternity stuff is interesting. (although it's probably just a big show; the joke in these things is the secrecy, over all) Although probably the mark the illuminatii puts on people, is that they keep the secret. For people to keep any secret, especially one so curious, is a sign of political strength and will.
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Ninkazu
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Don't be so gullible. All of the bullshit on that site is from propaganda columns. Why not try checking your sources with an actually reliable source, rather than sites that claim to be reliable sources? |
I met Alex Jones in person (the author of the articles on infowars). He's a really good guy and he gets his information from a multitude of sources, if you'd look around and see what he sites. Don't take it all to be nonsense because you haven't seen it on the 6 o'clock news.
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Nodtveidt
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:01 am Post subject: |
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The concept of "reliable source" is very open to critique in and of itself. Who tells the truth, who tells half-truths, and who's full of shit? No one really knows!
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biggerUniverse
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:07 am Post subject: |
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You know it all really doesn't matter right? I hate to sound morbid, but worrying about things like this presumes that you will live forever, thus it will affect you.
| Quote: | | You learn, and you learn, and you learn, and then you're dead. |
And just for the record: if you don't like someone oppressing you, don't cooperate with the oppressor. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/10366/10366-h/10366-h.htm
EDIT: (Particularly, the Fifth Upaya)
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Ninkazu
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| biggerUniverse wrote: | You know it all really doesn't matter right? I hate to sound morbid, but worrying about things like this presumes that you will live forever, thus it will affect you.
| Quote: | | You learn, and you learn, and you learn, and then you're dead. |
And just for the record: if you don't like someone oppressing you, don't cooperate with the oppressor. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/10366/10366-h/10366-h.htm
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Yet I'd like to help pave the way for my future children and the rest. Do you want the world to live under the tyranny of evil after you're gone, or are you selfish enough to feel that life stops when your life stops?
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biggerUniverse
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:43 am Post subject: |
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You'll notice that the second part of my post is for posterity, and the first part is an admonishment.
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Adam
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Ninkazu wrote: | | or are you selfish enough to feel that life stops when your life stops? |
Almost as if you answer'd your own question.
How about life stops when you and everyone you care about has died.
The real tyrrany we should be fighting for our children and the rest is that of the matching jumpsuits they will be forced to wear in the floating cities of the future.
Perhaps we should also rally against the outlawed sexual contact of the future. As cited by my credible source, Demolition Man.
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BadMrBox
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Hitler can't be justified. Darwinian thinking is bad thinking by any account.
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Aren't you american? Americans does not believe in the studies of Darwin. They believe in God. Or, wait... maybe not all of you.
Hmm... Darwin is at least not teached in some school over there right? Hmm... advanced.
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It should be noted though, that the conspirators who tried to kill Hitler saw a "United States of Europe" as the best way to make use of the Third Reich's dominance of the continent.
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And make the yankies help us do it? Sweet.
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I'm just saying that if all of a sudden this Angela Merkal woman we've been hearing about (a conservative in the mold of Hitler) suddenly starts rallying the EU to an economic confrontation with the U.S.; trying to disrupt NATO in favor of a European continental army; etc, then we shouldn't be surprised.
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...to be honest LG. You seem to be totally clueless. I am in awe. The whole EU project is from the, start up to date, a counterpart for US and to prevent anything like WW1 and WW2 to happen again. Economic confrotation with U.S? Ever heard of EURO? And Angela Merkal is not going to nothing until her goverment is stabilized and all posts are filled. And everything around it is aproved. To do that is a hard task. Read some before writing about the subject.
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But Odin was the god of the dead...
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No. He was the God of all Gods. The chief. Dead warriors dinned at his table yes. Search the wikipedia for Hel. Thats one of the death gods. Read. Learn.
oh. Thank you Soviet for finishing the war by the way.
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Adam
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| BadMrBox wrote: | Aren't you american? Americans does not believe in the studies of Darwin. They believe in God. Or, wait... maybe not all of you.
Hmm... Darwin is at least not teached in some school over there right? Hmm... advanced. |
I think the whole problem was the teaching of creationisim (under the guise of intelligent design) in science classes in Kansas schools. Evolution was always going to be taught.
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JonasKyratzes
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I'm just saying that if all of a sudden this Angela Merkal woman we've been hearing about (a conservative in the mold of Hitler) suddenly starts rallying the EU to an economic confrontation with the U.S.; trying to disrupt NATO in favor of a European continental army; etc, then we shouldn't be surprised.
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Actually, you *should* be surprised, because Angela Merkel represents little more than a European version of Georgie-Porgie, like Tony Blair or his beloved predecessor, Thatcher. Her God is called Capitalism.
Those who have no understanding of world politics should either inform themselves or shut up. And forget the bloody Illuminati; instead of blaming everything on some conspiracy, try to understand the socio-political and historical factors behind the recent development towards neo-imperialism. Things happen for a reason. And while you're at it, read up on the historical context of Hitler, instead of making silly statements about things you don't understand. Hitler's rise to power is much more complex than you'd think, and ideology is only one of many factors involved.
Now, there's a troll in my garden, so I'm going to go and turn it into a toad.
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tcaudilllg
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Hitler can't be justified. Darwinian thinking is bad thinking by any account.
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Aren't you american? Americans does not believe in the studies of Darwin. They believe in God. Or, wait... maybe not all of you.
Hmm... Darwin is at least not teached in some school over there right? Hmm... advanced. |
I never suspected you believed that "might makes right".
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It should be noted though, that the conspirators who tried to kill Hitler saw a "United States of Europe" as the best way to make use of the Third Reich's dominance of the continent.
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And make the yankies help us do it? Sweet.
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Check out "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", as I did.
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I'm just saying that if all of a sudden this Angela Merkal woman we've been hearing about (a conservative in the mold of Hitler) suddenly starts rallying the EU to an economic confrontation with the U.S.; trying to disrupt NATO in favor of a European continental army; etc, then we shouldn't be surprised.
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...to be honest LG. You seem to be totally clueless. I am in awe. The whole EU project is from the, start up to date, a counterpart for US and to prevent anything like WW1 and WW2 to happen again. Economic confrotation with U.S? Ever heard of EURO? And Angela Merkal is not going to nothing until her goverment is stabilized and all posts are filled. And everything around it is aproved. To do that is a hard task. Read some before writing about the subject.
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Don't deceive yourself into thinking that the old passions of your region are dead.
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No. He was the God of all Gods. The chief. Dead warriors dinned at his table yes. Search the wikipedia for Hel. Thats one of the death gods. Read. Learn. |
I know Asgard like the back of my hand, thanks. The Edda is quite enjoyable to read, especially the parts where Fenrir swallows Odin whole at Ragnarok; Thor dies of Jormugund's toxin; and Tyr slips Fenrir's jaw with a big boot. Oh, and the part about Loki tricking Hod into killing Balder was good, and the part where Loki gets his dues with snake venom in his eye, classic.
Woden has other names too, like Woden and Wotan. Different spins on the same character, and varying interpretations.
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oh. Thank you Soviet for finishing the war by the way. |
Was that serious?
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Nodtveidt
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| BadMrBox wrote: | Aren't you american? Americans does not believe in the studies of Darwin. They believe in God. Or, wait... maybe not all of you.
Hmm... Darwin is at least not teached in some school over there right? Hmm... advanced. |
Darwinian theory was never taught in the school I went to growing up...I never even heard of the guy until I was in my 20s. Fortunately, I graduated school before the whole ID crap became center stage...
I don't believe in God and I am American. God sucks and so does George W Bush and the entire state of KansASS.
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Adam
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| LordGalbalan wrote: | | BadMrBox wrote: | | oh. Thank you Soviet for finishing the war by the way. |
Was that serious? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Red_army_soldiers_raising_the_soviet_flag_on_the_roof_of_the_reichstag_berlin_germany.jpg
Those aren't americans at the Reichstag. But then again the war continued in the pacific. The soviets also "bought time in blood" holding the germans back on the northern front.
| Quote: | | Darwinian theory was never taught in the school I went to growing up...I never even heard of the guy until I was in my 20s. Fortunately, I graduated school before the whole ID crap became center stage... |
I'm pretty sure you must have heard about evolution somewhere in your schooling. Or was it on the Discovery channel?
| Quote: | | I don't believe in God and I am American. God sucks and so does George W Bush and the entire state of KansASS. |
That's pretty harsh to say my deity sucks. But i agree that it's wrong to teach something that isn't science in science class.
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Nodtveidt
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| Adam wrote: | | I'm pretty sure you must have heard about evolution somewhere in your schooling. Or was it on the Discovery channel? |
We were taught evolution but Darwin's name never once came up.
| Adam wrote: | | That's pretty harsh to say my deity sucks. But i agree that it's wrong to teach something that isn't science in science class. |
Don't take it personally, it's just my opinion. And yes, it's very wrong to teach philosophy in science class.
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tcaudilllg
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I'd like to clarify that by what I meant by "Darwinian" thought was not the scientific idea of evolution, but rather the "natural selection" philosophy of might makes right/the strong over the weak/the rat race/urban jungle, etc., things that Hitler was really into and believed in.
Here is an illuminating passage about him:
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"...they talked at length about the gullibility of people. A case in point was an advertisement currently running in the newspapers. Under the picture of a woman whose hair reached the floor was the text: 'I, Anna Csillag, with the very long Lorelei-hair, achieved this beautiful hair with the aid of my secret pomade, which I myself invented. Anyone who wants to have such beautiful hair should write to Anna Csillag and receive free a wonderful prospectus with proof and thank-you letters.'
That is what I call advertising," said Hitler, according to Greiner's account. "Propaganda, propaganda as long as the people believe that his crap helps." The concept excited him. Propaganda, he said, could make believers out of doubters. He was convinced he himself could sell the most preposterous item, such as a salve guaranteed to make windows unbreakable. 'Propaganda, only propaganda is necessary. There is no end of stupid people.'"
- Adolf Hitler, page 52
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But something more to the point of this topic, was a poem he wrote on the front lines.
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I often go on bitter nights
To Wotan's oak in the quiet glade
With dark powers to weave a union--
The runic letters the moon makes with its magic spell
And all who are full of impudence during the day
Are made small by the magic fomula!
They draw shining steel--but instead of going into combat
They solidify into stalagmites.
So the false ones part from the real ones--
I reach into a nest of words
And then give to the good and just
With my formula blessings and prosperity.
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