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mikedoty
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:58 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Your models are pretty amazing. The people / monsters are fabulous, but even "ordinary" objects like the tables look very well done.
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TheSuddenFire
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:32 am    Post subject: $ [quote]

If there is no musician in this project, I want in. This game looks cool and I've been fiending for Diablo-like and/or RPG projects, lately. The visuals here represent exactly what has been on my mind.
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Nodtveidt
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Mattias, what version of Poser are you using?
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Mattias Gustavsson
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: [quote]

mikedoty wrote:
Your models are pretty amazing. The people / monsters are fabulous, but even "ordinary" objects like the tables look very well done.


Thanks :-) I don't model them myself though - it's just stock models which I combine, customize and light the way I want them :-)


TheSuddenFire wrote:
If there is no musician in this project, I want in. This game looks cool and I've been fiending for Diablo-like and/or RPG projects, lately. The visuals here represent exactly what has been on my mind.


I'll keep that in mind - but will be quite some time before it needs music, it's early days yet. Also, I was hoping to team up with one person to do both sound effects and music...

And btw, the game play will not be nearly as action oriented as Diablo - this is much more of a story driven thing, and much more inspired by pen & paper RPGs than action CRPGs :D

Nodtveidt wrote:
Mattias, what version of Poser are you using?


I'm using Poser 7 - haven't bothered upgrading beyond it, as it does what I need it to :-) (Poser 6 had some annoying bugs, in particular to do with the Python scripting interface, but also in how it treated alpha channels)
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Mattias Gustavsson
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: [quote]

As promised, here's a bit more about the different images I render as part of my automated process. Here's the set of images, along with a comparison shot for how the object look when rendered in-game:



The first image, is the object with lighting, but without shadows. The last image is the objects shadows only. When I process the images, I use the alpha channel from the first image, to separate the ground shadow from the object shadow in the shadow image. By doing this, I can render them separately in my engine. When I render a frame, I start by drawing the ground, then all the ground shadows from all objects, and last the objects themselves, so that I never have a ground shadow drawn on top of an object (as that just looks wrong).


The two images in the middle might look a bit odd. They are flattened versions of the object, and I use them to calculate the objects footprint, for path finding and obstacle avoidance. The brighter the colour, the higher the object is at that point. This way, low objects, or low parts of objects, can be ignored. The first of the height-images gives the height of the object, and the second height-image gives a value for how close to the ground the object is at that point. In this example, with the tree, the trunk goes all the way down to the ground - this is why the second height-image is all black in the centre. But at the same time, the trunk is also the highest point of the object - and that is why the first height-image is brightest in the centre.

Using these two images, I can detect if a point is too high for a player to pass through (for example, a high wall), but also if it is possible to pass underneath the object (for example, a high wall with an arch going through it). I don't use these images directly in my engine, but instead I use a custom, and more efficient, format generated from them.

I like having things like this generated automatically, as it can take so much time to do manual mark-up for these things...
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TheSuddenFire
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:42 pm    Post subject: O.O [quote]

What goes through my mind when seeing your step by step rendering images might be a neat idea if it's possible. I'm looking at the image that is black and white (2nd to last with the tree model) and imagining a dimensional rift where a whole town or area looks like that. I guess a magician could cast a super spell or something big could happen, or perhaps the player would be in a dream realm. Otherwise you could joke that it has snowed a lot recently :p
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Mattias Gustavsson
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Here is the last of the player characters - a bard. But not your garden-variety bard - this guy is a real bad-ass adventurer :D


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BadMrBox
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:38 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Is that a blond David Hasselhoff with pointy ears and a hypnotic glare?
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Mattias Gustavsson
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:44 pm    Post subject: [quote]

If that works for you, then YES! :D
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Nodtveidt
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:32 am    Post subject: [quote]

Looks like what would happen if Ariel got violated by Drizzt Do'Urden, the guys from Nelson, and every member of Motley Crue.

:D
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Mattias Gustavsson
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:58 am    Post subject: [quote]

Nodtveidt wrote:
Looks like what would happen if Ariel got violated by Drizzt Do'Urden, the guys from Nelson, and every member of Motley Crue.

:D


Wow, that was exactly what I was going for :D
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Nodtveidt
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:06 pm    Post subject: [quote]

Mattias Gustavsson wrote:
Wow, that was exactly what I was going for :D

Success! :)
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Mattias Gustavsson
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:48 am    Post subject: [quote]

So, time for another update - I've been working a fair bit on base systems, mostly to do with getting entities to move around in a natural way. I've tried some different ways, until I've finally got something I think is ok:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPbHb-Gz6S8

This shows a bunch of goblins wandering around aimlessly, while tending to stay close to the center of the world, and avoiding to collide with each other or any obstacles. Uses a combination of the steering behaviours wander, seek, separation and obstacle avoidance.

The next step is to add some sort of behaviour tree on top of this, to choose between different behaviours based on the state of the entity and the game world (for example, if you spot an enemy: attack, unless your health is too low, in which case: run away, and so on).
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:49 am    Post subject: [quote]

I understand this is not the final version, but I did notice a few goblins get hung-up on each other about 41 seconds into the video (near the center of the screen). Maybe they should randomly change direction if they get stuck for more than a couple seconds.

Looks great so far!
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tcaudilllg
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:19 pm    Post subject: [quote]

The models don't look realistic... why is that?
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