[DrV]

lol... fearing wrath here ;)

I think that QB and DOS are still quite good enough for any game project with requirements like this one. A game like this would not benefit very much or at all by being written for a multitasking environment, and a 64-bit subsystem wouldn't be much of a help, either. There are plenty of QBers still around - if you don't believe me, see www.qbasicnews.com. There's a huge community that's alive and well today.

[DeveloperX]

[Guest]

Well, sure take it as an learning experience but you're learning the *wrong* things... well not my problem...

[Bjorn]

'Guest' (I know who you are), please try not to be rude, of course it's not your problem. If you have a better idea of what to learn first when you want to get into game programming, try elaborating.

[DrunkenCoder]

[DrunkenCoder]

hmm..acually, why do you limit it to DOS?
the way stuff is laidout you could "easily" port the game
to say linux by just rewriting whatever modules are coded
in QB with equvivalent modules written in another language...
then the limiting factor is how much QB is in the project.
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[DeveloperX]

[janus]

[DrunkenCoder]

Yay! my point exactly but well said ;)
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[DeveloperX]

Oh boy, here we go again... Ok, listen. and listen GOOD.

Now, I'm getting tired of you guys saying not to use DOS.
If _you_ don't like DOS, then that is _your_ choice.
If _you_ don't want to write DOS stuff, then dont.
If _I_ However, want to write DOS stuff, then that is _MY_ choice.

I am _not_ making this engine 'in the hopes to be recognized by some great corporation that will pay me thousands to make their latest game.'
I _AM_ making this engine for the fun of it, for the experience, and for the opportunity to find other people that think like I do, like the things I do, and if luck shines on me, someone CLOSE to my general location, so I'm not stuck in LOUSY-ANA as the only computer guru (certainly seems this way, as I get hundreds of calls a week to fix others PCs)
Anyway, my point is, stop telling me _NOT_ to make my engine.
Why not trying to _ENCOURAGE_ me in my efforts to make a rather useful engine, maybe not useful to _you_, but _I_ know people who would KILL for an engine like the one I'm designing.

Oh, and another note:
I have written programs in C/C++ Win32, C++ & DirectX, VB, VB & DirectX, Python, ASM, BASIC, Java, and I made a little pong game for my cell phone. (NO you can't have a copy)
I've been programming for 14 years now, I've made lots of complete games for the Commodore 64, I pushed the C64 to its limits, using EVERY little bit of space I could to achieve effects and framerates that you wouldn't believe could be done on a C64.

If I knew how to get the c64 programs from the DD 5.25 floppies to the SD 5.25 floppies, I could show someone my stuff.

I've made programs that are in use today by PERSPECTIVE, and DIGIMAGINATION.
Including: a scanline dxf renderer, a custom web browser (without using the ms control), and a spreadsheet program that gets data in realtime from a server.

I am not a newbie programmer. I _am_ new to certain concepts (such as making games on a system that isn't mapped out like the C64 was)

When I need a program I don't have, I write it.
(unless its something so complex as 3dsmax, heh then I buy it.)


Ok, well, theres my rant. Now, stop trying to get me to write my engine in windows.
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[janus]

If you're going to ask people to help you, you owe it to them to make sure that their work isn't going to be wasted. There's really nothing else to be said. It doesn't matter what skills and credits you claim to have, stupid is stupid and wasteful is wasteful. I'm a big fan of teamwork and people working together to finish big projects for fun, but this is just plain silly.

Feel free to write as much DOS stuff as you want. However, don't expect people to be falling all over each other wanting to help you make something that nobody will be able to run in a few years. Did I even say 'you should write your rpg in windows'? No. All I'm saying is that you SHOULDN'T WRITE IT IN DOS WITH QBASIC. Any massive project like this is going to take a while to finish. You're not making some 72 hour compo game here, so you owe it to everyone involved to make sure that it has some longevity. QBasic's longevity is long gone, pal. ;)

[DrunkenCoder]

This thread is becomming quite laughable.
Noone said you should use Win32 heck, using SDL or
Allegro makes almost anyplatform look like the std C we
all know and love. But as Janus say you owe it to the
people that get involved and to yourself not to make the
project a waste, why limit yourself when there's no need?

If you do know C/C++ asm Python VB and Java then I
see no reason what so ever to use a language like QB
it just lessens the value of your work for no reason.

Note to QBers: No Im not saying that your work is useless
but, other languages do have stuff like real refrence books
that's not 10years old. Compilers for multiple platforms
a real standard etc.

So for a community project using good tools seems like the best
plan.

Ok, and really you do sound silly when you list the programs you've
written i a style that make DirectX seem like some language in itself.
(for example ...VB, VB & DirectX...) with your wast amount of experience
and with the knowledge you really should have because of that you should
probably list them as APIs if anyone is goint to take you seriously.

And really another thing, if you've written a webbrowser you should
to some extent be qutie familar with parsing techniques you just contradict
yourself by (in another thread) telling me to not be so brief when I say "write a recursive decent parser" sure you don't need to have written
one but the probability that anyone that written his own web browser should at least know the word is well... very very close to 1.

So Im not trying to make you write it in windows, Im trying to convince
you that anything but dos-only probably is a much saner route.

oh, well why would you listen? hey compared to you Im a total newbie
almost not out of my dipers yet. So well good luck to you ill shut up now.
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[Bjorn]

This thread has had enough argueing about this now, so I'm closing it. The point Dandelion and Janus make is clear, and so is the opinion of DeveloperX.