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janus · Mage Joined: 29 Jun 2002 Posts: 464 Location: Issaquah, WA

If you think there's a lot of them here, you should see how many people are supposedly developing RPG Makers over at Gaming World. I think there's like 20 threads over there.

Also, there are already multiple rpg engines with support for mode7 style graphics, since that was one of the ideas you mentioned. I've seen it done in Sphere and Gigas Engine, and I'm pretty sure Ika can do it too.

There's not really a lot of room for innovation in the field. I'm personally tired of seeing everyone and their grandmother babbling about how they're creating a next-gen rpg maker, and then giving up 2 weeks later because they couldn't figure out how to load a bitmap.

Also, mandrake. Your spelling and grammar are unusually atrocious in this thread. Are you drunk or something? I've never seen you use 'ppl' before.

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PoV · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2003 11:45 pm Post subject:

Mandrake · Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 2:41 am Post subject:

actually, everyone missed the party but me :(

s'ok, i contacted them the slow way, via PM's. Either way, Dmax- it's something I'm brewing, and hoping to get their help in some areas on it. I woulda asked you- but I wouldn't know if you would be interested, or even legally allowed to do :)
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PoV · Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:58 am Post subject:

Aww, and I was looking forward to partying. :). Yeah, I guess I have a tendancy to want to do my own thing, and I can imagine where your going with that legal note. Okie, back to my world. Wheeeee... :)

Jihgfed Pumpkinhead · Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 5:57 am Post subject: RPG-makers

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JonasKyratzes · Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 11:40 am Post subject:

I think the article's great, and I completely agree with what mandrake says. More generic RPGMakers will do the world no good, and they won't be finished, anyway. Specific ones is what we need.
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XMark · Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 2:19 pm Post subject:

JONAS! Where ya been, man? How's the game going?
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JonasKyratzes · Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 3:19 pm Post subject:

Hey XMark, I thought you were gone! The game's in a weird state between being finished and not. It's finished, but the entire first part of the game is just not up to my standarts, while the other two parts are much better... it's kind of messy... it needs some redesign and the graphics need to be rerendered, to give a feeling of consistency. I think that's the main problem: it feels inconsistent, as if there were parts missing. Just about everything I need is now finished, but it needs to be polished and changed around a bit ... right now I'm trying to finish The Infinite Ocean first, just to get my mind completely off The Song of Falling Night so that I will be able to look at it from a different perspective, if you know what I mean.
I had this really crazy idea one night of turning TSoFN on its head and instead of doing it in first person, I thought of making it look and work like a console-style RPG (in terms of graphics, that is: 2D and 3rd person) to give the player a stronger sense of location, of actually being there. No, I'm not going to throw away all that I've done and restart, unless someone with the time and the ability to work on this shows up... it wouldn't be hard, and I've often thought that many of the people in these forums could pull it off in no time, but everyone here has their own projects to work on, so I'll probably just finish it the way it is right now.
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I think there are two reasons there are more console style rpg makers out there:

1. Graphics, graphics in PC rpgs seems to fall in to two groups.. Too ugly or Too Good. After a certain point in time I can't remember when.. but I think it was sometime after the game ultima 7 (or maybe at the same time as) PC rpgs seemed to me to start aiming for realism in graphics for unknown reasons, this is alright but makes them either too hard to follow in the foot steps of or sadly outdated. With a few exceptions games before this didn't have that wonder graphics or weren't notable.

2. Programming. Wierdly enough PC rpgs need at some level most of the engine features that console RPG needs... plus a pile more. Considering most console RPGs are still using fairly simple battle engines if you compare that to the complexity of a PC rpg battle engine (real time or not). And not to mention the extra effort of providing the player with pathfinding so they can just point and click where they want to go.

I agree that fallout was a wonderful game, but it would be a lot of work to do the content for a game like that.. certainly the programming is doable even with the extra effort involved.. and maybe that is why no one is doing rpg makers in that style. or any other PC rpg style for that matter.

what I think would be a good PC style to do a RPG maker on would be something allong the lines of Ultima 7. I could be used for something more.. but it might be just simple enough that anyone could do something with it.